Definitely not a plot hole. The viewers were given everything they needed (such as earlier in the episode establishing that they had a secure means of communication) to understand that she must have contacted the Discovery to discuss the plan.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"
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I'm gay and while I can see how the tyler/voq thing can be interpreted as some type of exploration of sexuality i personally do not see it. What I do see is overall exploration of the human condition. The need to discover oneself and sometimes hide ones identity is universal to everyone, regardless of sexuality, gender or race.
EAS’s review, 3/10
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/dis1.htm#thewolfinside
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/dis1.htm#thewolfinside
Oh, I agree, completely. I just felt that, with that monologue in particular but also the whole episode, there was some pretty interesting subtext being explored, and it'd be an odd writer who didn't draw from their own experiences to inform that exploration.
I like the bit about the Andorian helmet Mudd was wearing implying that they were being retconned as having huge compound eyes. I suppose the DSC-era Starfleet spacesuits, with their big bubble viewports, indicated humans were being retconned as having heads made up one one giant cyclopian eye.
I'm fine with both the Tellarite and Andorian makeup on last night's episode. TOS Tellarites looked different from TVH Tellarites, and they differed from the ones later seen in ENT. Humans have a wide variety of diferent ethnic appearances and physical shapes and sizes so I'm not disappointed when most other species are shown as having different subgroups. We didn't even know that the Aenar existed until 2004 and that Andoria was the home to two different sentient species.
The Klingon makeup sucks and is abysmally uncomfortable to look at, but the new makeup introduced in the latest episode doesn't even come close to that level of crappiness. It's not crappy at all. DSC does sometimes get things more or less right.
The Klingon makeup sucks and is abysmally uncomfortable to look at, but the new makeup introduced in the latest episode doesn't even come close to that level of crappiness. It's not crappy at all. DSC does sometimes get things more or less right.
I love the Klingon make up. I just don't like how unpractical it is.
If it didn't have the elongated cranial bones in the back it'd look ten times better. That's the worst part of the entire design in my eyes. The rest of it is meh at best but without the back of the heads being the way they are I'd have a higher and more embracing opinion of the new look.
See, I think the cranial bones make them look more alien.
I dunno. I feel like characterization is far and away one of the weakest elements of Discovery. In general, the characters only "develop" to the extent needed to further the plot along - nothing more or less. There is nothing to Lorca other than his shadiness and mystery, for example. And nothing to Tyler other than the conflict caused by the Voq persona and the "relationship" with Burnham. While in general I think the last three episodes have been the best run of the series to date, they have been weak from a character standpoint, in that the previous few glimpses of normal life - things like Stamets brushing his teeth with Culber, or Tilly talking about her desire for command with Burnham - have fallen to the wayside. Tyler has been the only one given a consistent arc, in that the rest of the cast is just doing what the story of the week requires - which in some cases can undercut what happened just before. Freaking Stamets - who is my favorite character on the show, because he was given the space to be a three-dimensional human being - has been reduced into being a plot device.
Obviously the series is just getting started, so it's difficult to compare with established shows with multiple seasons. But it's pretty clear on a show like Game of Thrones some characters get massive development (Jamie, the Hound, even Sam) when they aren't really super critical for the plot as a whole. Hell, you can even use Trek examples. Look at what DS9 did with Nog from the first to seventh season and tell me there wasn't some amazing character development taking place.
She still could have been given the single scene in the outfit over the holocommunicator. The problem was every other scene she was in this episode. Honestly the actress's worst work on the show to date, although she was given some terrible dialogue.
Agony booths, assassination attempts, keeping slaves, executions by spacing and nuking a whole planet to kill a couple rebels not enough?
No. The agony booths were only shown in the previous episode, and everything else is pretty bog-standard evil empire stuff which was the norm through much of human history. Engaging in a military strike against combatants isn't even that unusual at all. If they wanted to get squicky, they'd have things like more gruesome torture scenes, consumption of other sentient races, rape, etc.
People going "She contacted the discovery and they showed up off screen" need to check their timelines.
The Discovery was shown earlier in the episode to still be sitting in the wreckage of the starbase. Which means somehow in the few minutes it took Burnham to contact them and walk her way to the transporter room the Discovery would have had to have traveled to a completely separate solar system that took the Shenzu hours to get too.
Or to put it simply the Timeline doesn't add up.
Quite similar to how the timeline for the Emperor arriving doesn't add up.
The Discovery was shown earlier in the episode to still be sitting in the wreckage of the starbase. Which means somehow in the few minutes it took Burnham to contact them and walk her way to the transporter room the Discovery would have had to have traveled to a completely separate solar system that took the Shenzu hours to get too.
Or to put it simply the Timeline doesn't add up.
Quite similar to how the timeline for the Emperor arriving doesn't add up.
You're watching Star Trek, travel times are never consistent.
So, Star Trek?
Please noMore Alien?
I found it difficult to take EAS seriously much of the time even when they liked Star Trek.
We don’t know how much time passed between when Saru saved Burnham from Tyler and the time Tyler was spaced. Sure, Detmer said “swift execution”, but “swift” does not necessarily mean just a few minutes had passed.
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They took him directly to the transporter room.
So unless you want to try to say they were standing around the transporter room for hours waiting for Burnham to arrive.
Plus Burnham wanted him there to see what was going on so she could talk with him about it later
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