So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".

[kirkfan]

A patriarchal society is not a form of slavery, unless you're using the term slavery as a hyperbole. Adult Ferengi females were second class citizens, but not slaves.

I took Quark statement to mean that the Ferengi never have had chattel slavery.

Quark has no problem mixing lies, half truths and even the truth when it's something that serves his purpose.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

^Nor does any other species seen in Star Trek.

--Sran

 

[trekshark]

Now that I'm thinking about thigs, I don't get why we have -- in particularly I'm thinking of TNG, though not exclusive to the series -- multiple version of a hand-held phaser.

I don't recall the Type-A and Type-B phasers to have any differences aisde from size. And then there is the phaser rifle. What the hell does it do that the others can't? I can't recall seeing it do anything special.

So I don't get why we have moments where a phaser rifle is necessary and why we had some moments (early on) where a Type-A was used instead.

I think in the TNG tech manual the type one only had settings 1-8 and the type two and three (rifle) had 1-16
I'd think the rifle probably had a power pack that could last longer as well. Probably the same for the type two vs one
the rifle probably also allowed for a more stable firing platform. Sure a phaser doesn't have recoil like a gunpowder firearm but being able to shoulder it would allow more accurate aiming than one handed

 

[kirkfan]

^Nor does any other species seen in Star Trek.

--Sran

The Vulcans tend to tell the truth, even when it's something that isn't in their best interests.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

The Vulcans tend to tell the truth, even when it's something that isn't in their best interests.

You've obviously not seen much of Enterprise.

--Sran

 

[kirkfan]

The Vulcans tend to tell the truth, even when it's something that isn't in their best interests.

You've obviously not seen much of Enterprise.

--Sran

I've seen all of it, inside and out. Try as they may, they didn't manage to make the Vulcans to be as bad as they wanted to. Plus we get the explanation that they had been infiltrated by Romulan spies. I am wondering if you missed that part.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Adult Ferengi females were second class citizens, but not slaves.

They aren't allowed to wear clothing, leave their homes, or speak unless spoken to first. You don't call that slavery?!?

 

[kirkfan]

Adult Ferengi females were second class citizens, but not slaves.

They aren't allowed to wear clothing, leave their homes, or speak unless spoken to first. You don't call that slavery?!?

It's hard not to.

 

[Greg Cox]

^Nor does any other species seen in Star Trek.

--Sran

The Vulcans tend to tell the truth, even when it's something that isn't in their best interests.

Uh-huh. And Spock really is a simple dealer in kevas and trillium, had no ulterior motives when romancing that Romulan commander in "The Enterprise Incident," and totally had permission to hijack the Enterprise to take Pike back to Talos IV . . . .

The whole "Vulcans do not lie" thing is a myth that the Vulcans are not inclined to discourage--which is pretty much a deception in its own right!

(And let's not forget that Sarek went to great lengths to conceal his heart condition--even from his wife!)

 

[Taelon]

^Nor does any other species seen in Star Trek.

--Sran

The Vulcans tend to tell the truth, even when it's something that isn't in their best interests.

They tell half-truths, which are sometimes worse than lies.

 

[Greg Cox]

^Nor does any other species seen in Star Trek.

--Sran

The Vulcans tend to tell the truth, even when it's something that isn't in their best interests.

They tell half-truths, which are sometimes worse than lies.

And let's not forget Valeris . . .

"A lie?"

"A choice."

 

[borgboy]

I think the Ferengi treatment of their females is as bad as slavery, but Quark doesn't see it that way.

 

[kirkfan]

^Nor does any other species seen in Star Trek.

--Sran

The Vulcans tend to tell the truth, even when it's something that isn't in their best interests.

Uh-huh. And Spock really is a simple dealer in kevas and trillium, had no ulterior motives when romancing that Romulan commander in "The Enterprise Incident," and totally had permission to hijack the Enterprise to take Pike back to Talos IV . . . .

The whole "Vulcans do not lie" thing is a myth that the Vulcans are not inclined to discourage--which is pretty much a deception in its own right!

(And let's not forget that Sarek went to great lengths to conceal his heart condition--even from his wife!)

In these instances Spock was ordered to lie. That's a whole other kettle of fish. For one thing it wasn't his lie, it was the lie of starfleet.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

^He was ordered to lie about the transmission from Pike?

--Sran

 

[kirkfan]

The Vulcans tend to tell the truth, even when it's something that isn't in their best interests.

They tell half-truths, which are sometimes worse than lies.

And let's not forget Valeris . . .

"A lie?"

"A choice."

Valeris was a member of an illegal organization. In any society criminals do things that seem unthinkable to honest citizens.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Valeris was a member of an illegal organization. In any society criminals do things that seem unthinkable to honest citizens.

Yes, but your earlier statement implied that Vulcans--regardless of their affiliation--were incapable of lying; that Valeris was a criminal doesn't in any way excuse her having lied, nor does it diminish the impact her dishonesty had on the Enterprise's mission.

--Sran

 

[kirkfan]

^He was ordered to lie about the transmission from Pike?

--Sran

It was clear that it wasn't in Spock's personal interest to lie or even participate in this operation. He was being noble and risked the death penalty to help a human being. It's quite an injustice to hold this against him when I wish more human beings would have that kind of devotion.

 

[kirkfan]

Valeris was a member of an illegal organization. In any society criminals do things that seem unthinkable to honest citizens.

Yes, but your earlier statement implied that Vulcans--regardless of their affiliation--were incapable of lying; that Valeris was a criminal doesn't in any way excuse her having lied, nor does it diminish the impact her dishonesty had on the Enterprise's mission.

--Sran

I never said that. What's wrong with you? Reread what I said and get back to me when you're done.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

^Whatever Spock's motives may have been, he was still dishonest in his approach to the situation. He fabricated a transmission from Pike in order to lure the Enterprise to Starbase 11. He later altered the contents of another message in order to get the Enterprise to leave orbit with Pike aboard.

Spock was extremely lucky that he wasn't given the death penalty for his actions--something that was likely averted only because the real Commodore Mendez was able to view the same recordings of Talos IV that the Enterprise was seeing.

Regarding your most recent post, I said that you implied it, not that you explicitly stated it.

--Sran

 

[kirkfan]

^Whatever Spock's motives may have been, he was still dishonest in his approach to the situation. He fabricated a transmission from Pike in order to lure the Enterprise to Starbase 11. He later altered the contents of another message in order to get the Enterprise to leave orbit with Pike aboard.

Spock was extremely lucky that he wasn't given the death penalty for his actions--something that was likely averted only because the real Commodore Mendez was able to view the same recordings of Talos IV that the Enterprise was seeing.

Regarding your most recent post, I said that you implied it, not that you explicitly stated it.

--Sran

Nothing Spock did during that episode was in his personal interest, in fact it was totally opposite to his personal interest. As I said he was noble and devoted to Pike. There aren't many human beings that would be capable of doing something like that for a friend.