They could have given stronger warnings, but that would be ethnically insensitive.
So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".
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They could have made it more sensitive by giving examples of what each major species customs are. I think that would have been enough. Not for Kim since he's the typical guy who gets taken, even when he knows what the scam is.
Well yeah...because people want to freaking know what's going on.
Apparently David Lynch doesn't agree.
My Aunt has one of those.
But I don't think that would pertain to a random child Riker encountered at a disaster site.
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Whatever the flaws with DS9's Ferengi episodes (and they are manifold), at least the show (generally) avoided the more problematic portrayals of the Ferengi in TNG (and VOY).
Mainly because the show lets Quark call Sisko out on crap like that, instead of suggesting that Starfleet is perfectly justified to teach that sort of thing at the Academy.
But then, the show also gave us Profit and Lace. So, you know.
Why is it they have to always use sensors to detect a person if they don't have a comm badge or took it off? And then when the sensors don't wot for some reason, in picking the person up, still can't find them?
Don't they have cameras in the 24th century? they must -- I think I recall one where they were hunting Wesley and a camera showed a phaser he set up to automatically fire blasts at a forcefield.
Why is it four or five people will crowd around one person to look at a tiny Ops station screen when they have a big-ass viewer to transfer the display data to?
Don't they have cameras in the 24th century? they must -- I think I recall one where they were hunting Wesley and a camera showed a phaser he set up to automatically fire blasts at a forcefield.
Why is it four or five people will crowd around one person to look at a tiny Ops station screen when they have a big-ass viewer to transfer the display data to?
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"Sensors" would be a blanket term for all sorts of detecting devices. That includes cameras.
That may very well have been what they did. It's just that the examples for the Ferengi either amounted to a warning or Kim took it as one. He didn't take it strongly enough, but still.
Anyway, I was being facetious.
"Sensors" would be a blanket term for all sorts of detecting devices. That includes cameras.
That may very well have been what they did. It's just that the examples for the Ferengi either amounted to a warning or Kim took it as one. He didn't take it strongly enough, but still.
Anyway, I was being facetious.
About 20 years ago, I picked up a copy of Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' "Alien Nation: Day of Descent" at an airport bookstore and anded up enjoying the universe so much that I read almost every novel in the series before I saw a single episode of the TV series.
Picard obviously didn't think so, an opinion he stood by after Riker expressed his doubts,
Don't you mean "spit"?
On a Ferengi-moment I don't get:
When Sisko and Quark visited that world in the Gamma Quadrant for Jake and Nog's science project, Quark got fed up with Sisko's obvious dislike against Ferengis and told him that the Ferengi might be ruthless profit hunters, but, unlike humans, they have no history of slavery or genocide. To which Sisko only responds by looking embarrassed.
The very unlikely chance that they really never ever enslaved one another or exterminated each other for whatever reason, how is what the Ferengi do to their women not slavery?
Ferengi "females" are not allowed to provide for themselves, leave the house, wear clothes, talk to strangers (which seems to include the guests of their men/sons) and have to serve their families to the point of chewing their food. Let alone what likely happens to Ferengi women who are widowed and have no sons to look after them...
How are Ferengi women not slaves in all but name?
When Sisko and Quark visited that world in the Gamma Quadrant for Jake and Nog's science project, Quark got fed up with Sisko's obvious dislike against Ferengis and told him that the Ferengi might be ruthless profit hunters, but, unlike humans, they have no history of slavery or genocide. To which Sisko only responds by looking embarrassed.
The very unlikely chance that they really never ever enslaved one another or exterminated each other for whatever reason, how is what the Ferengi do to their women not slavery?
Ferengi "females" are not allowed to provide for themselves, leave the house, wear clothes, talk to strangers (which seems to include the guests of their men/sons) and have to serve their families to the point of chewing their food. Let alone what likely happens to Ferengi women who are widowed and have no sons to look after them...
How are Ferengi women not slaves in all but name?
You're missing the genius of that scene. The fact Sisko doesn't throw that back in Quark's face proves Quark's point that Sisko is allowing his prejudice against Ferengi to prevent him learning anything about them.
There's only one solution to that, Sisko is a misogynist.
Sisko has proven that he can quote and number the ferengi rules of acquisition in context. That supposes some reading up.
They are. But Sisko and the Federation don't hate the Ferengi because they treat their women like that. Klingons don't allow women on the High Council and the Federation gets along with them fine. Mostly. The Federation hate the Ferengi because they are capitalist.
So, yep, Quark was wrong in a specific instance, but his general point stands. The argument is about Sisko, not about the Ferengi. Sisko would not have objected to Jake befriending a Klingon or even a Cardassian.
I admit I had not seen it from that point of view... I thought the writers were trying to make a rather clumsy statement about the Ferengi so my issue was into with Sisko's reaction, but rather with Quark playing the "no slavery card"
I however agree with this. The way Ferengi treat their women seemed to be fairly well known.
Again my problem was not with Sisko's reaction but with Quark claiming "no slavery!"
Which rises another point, the Federation SHOULD hate the Ferengi for how they treat their women and not because of capitalism.
They don't hate them because of capitalism, it's never been stated or even hinted at. To me it's obvious that they hate them because they are shifty, unreliable and resort to thievery more often than not. On the other hand we know that the ferengi dislike violence; especially the non profitable kind, and only their more extremist elements resort to things like the selling of weapons. It's not a coincidence that cousin gela (sp?) couldn't find a better replacement than Quark. And even Quark ended being disgusted by the whole trade.
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