Your Girlfriend Was In A Porno Movie!

[Jetfire]

If she's done a movie or maybe two, I'd call it simply being adventurous. You seem to argue that this makes her a slut. I heartily disagree.

And don't give me that feminist argument you tried upthread. Feminists have advocated sexual freedom for all.

I never said any of this???

 

[Kestra]

In theory, yes. But to most men it wouldn't matter what the reasoning was. If you were going to feel some form of jealousy, paranoia or any of that wonderfully panicy stuff, it wouldn't matter if she were forced at gunpoint. They'd still know.

Knowing me though I would be upset and then feel bad for her and then think I am saving her by being with her. If I truly loved her then the answer is, I would be with her and love her the same.

Just a tip, don't ever try to save someone in a relationship. It's a bad mindset to have and usually has a bad effect on both people involved. Some people need more support than others, but it's never your place to save them (in the context of a relationship).

 

[JonathonWally]

In theory, yes. But to most men it wouldn't matter what the reasoning was. If you were going to feel some form of jealousy, paranoia or any of that wonderfully panicy stuff, it wouldn't matter if she were forced at gunpoint. They'd still know.

Knowing me though I would be upset and then feel bad for her and then think I am saving her by being with her. If I truly loved her then the answer is, I would be with her and love her the same.

Just a tip, don't ever try to save someone in a relationship. It's a bad mindset to have and usually has a bad effect on both people involved. Some people need more support than others, but it's never your place to save them (in the context of a relationship).

This.

 

[Jetfire]

In theory, yes. But to most men it wouldn't matter what the reasoning was. If you were going to feel some form of jealousy, paranoia or any of that wonderfully panicy stuff, it wouldn't matter if she were forced at gunpoint. They'd still know.

Knowing me though I would be upset and then feel bad for her and then think I am saving her by being with her. If I truly loved her then the answer is, I would be with her and love her the same.

Just a tip, don't ever try to save someone in a relationship. It's a bad mindset to have and usually has a bad effect on both people involved. Some people need more support than others, but it's never your place to save them (in the context of a relationship).

I know from experience and yet I keep doing it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

People who don't value sex don't value themselves-- disagree all you want.

So do you believe the horny populous is doing the consuming, or being the one consumed?

I have to give credit where it's due.

I LOVE that phrase. I can't stop saying it. "Consumed by the horny populous". My hat's off to you for inventing it!

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I LOVE that phrase. I can't stop saying it.

So, much like the Bleacher Creatures, Katz's Deli, and the P'Zone then?

 

[SeerSGB]

So do you believe the horny populous is doing the consuming, or being the one consumed?

I have to give credit where it's due.

I LOVE that phrase. I can't stop saying it. "Consumed by the horny populous". My hat's off to you for inventing it!

Sounds like a ST:TOS monster from the planet Fellatyo IV

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I LOVE that phrase. I can't stop saying it.

So, much like the Bleacher Creatures, Katz's Deli, and the P'Zone then?

Hey, what can I say, I know what I like.

 

[RJDiogenes]

^Not all feminists. All of which only tangentially reflects on "feminists" views of pornography. You are certainly old enough to remember the strange bedfellows alliance of Values Conservatives and Radical Feminists during the late '70's, specifically against pretty much all forms of adult entertainment. People like MacKinnon and Dworkin spring to mind, but there was a whole movement (Woman Against Porn, or something like that).

For every woman that feels it may be liberating and a form of sexual expression free from the control of men, there is another that feels it demeans women (and men) and is a continuing form of patriarchal control of and violence against women. Certainly there is no broad consensus on this issue across the breadth of feminism, as your post implies

Of course, no philosophy is monolithic. Right now, in our Age of Extremism, there is a large demographic that self-identifies as 'Feminist' and 'Left Wing' that have adopted the Right Wing stance on this issue. But, historically, from the Middle Ages to the Victorian Era to the New Woman of the 20s the Women's Lib Movement that was part of the Sexual Revolution, most Feminist philosophies have advocated sexual freedom.

If she's done a movie or maybe two, I'd call it simply being adventurous. You seem to argue that this makes her a slut. I heartily disagree.

And don't give me that feminist argument you tried upthread. Feminists have advocated sexual freedom for all.

I never said any of this???

Ice was actually responding to Danoz; he just Quoted you to clarify the original question.

 

[Danoz]

RJDemonicus

was actually responding to Danoz; he just Quoted you to clarify the original question.

Yes, let us not forget that Danoz is total bitch .

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

The fact that you are so intent on defending this point just tells me that your standards are very, very low.

Or, and this will blow your mind, some people just set different standards than you do. I'm more worried about someone's intelligence and kindness than who they had sex with or what they may have done for a living. I have no moral or ethical problem with people who star in pornography. On the other hand, I do have a problem with people in the upper business class who screw people over. I think THEY are immoral in many cases and I wouldn't date someone like that.

Different standards for different people. You need to realize that you can't just make a blanket generalization and expect people to go along with it.

I wouldn't date somebody who hurts people for a living, either. I'm definitely not going to argue the point that pornography is less harmful than corruption and greed in the workplace (though I can assure you the pornography industry is hardly immune from such a thing). A big problem is that there's nothing tasteful or artistic about modern pornography-- 99% of it is disgusting, objectifying and sexist. It's successful because people consume it. I'm arguing that a women who enters this world is doing so to her own detriment-- and that kind of woman carries a lot of baggage. The point of the thread was to ask, would I date this person? The answer is no. I've dated enough crazy to have to deal with the emotional insecurities of a girl who resorted to pornography to get through life. My argument is actually less moral-conservative and more feminist in nature-- it's an attack on the life-sucking industry, not necessarily the people who get caught in it.

Pornography is not supposed to be tasteful or artistic it is supposed to be sexually arousing. If more people realized that we wouldn't waste all this time and money with endless legal wrangling. Even in a marriage when you have sex with your spouse do you want it to be tasteful and artistic or hot and dirty? Sex is dirty, that's what makes it fun. Porn is supposed to mirror sex, but take it to an exaggerated level. Nothing is unsexier than "tasteful porn"

 

[The Castellan]

What would you do if you found out that the person you were currently dating had done porn?

I personally would find it upsetting...I don't know if it would be a dealbreaker, it is close though.

Would not bother me at all, in fact, I'd be going ~Assumes Cartman voice~ Sweeeeet. I'll know she's good in the sack, then. Since I don't want miss goody goody virgin who has no idea what to do....I want a wild babe who knows what she's doing.

The less conservative a chick is, the more I dig it.
So give me a porn babe!

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

I wonder if the answers here would be very different if the question was changed to "would you go out on a date with/have a one night stand with" a porn star. I don't think I am going out on a limb much here to say a lot of the guys here on the board probably have a good deal of experience with porn, and probably have favorite "actresses". If you got a chance to have sex with your favorite starlet would you jump at it?

Or would the answers change much if the involvement in the porn industry was at a more respectable level. Would you have a problem if your girlfriend was a softcore star or posed for Playboy. Would you jump at the opportunity to have sex with the Playmate of the Year if you could?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

No. I don't do casual sex.

 

[Pingfah]

I wouldn't date somebody who hurts people for a living, either. I'm definitely not going to argue the point that pornography is less harmful than corruption and greed in the workplace (though I can assure you the pornography industry is hardly immune from such a thing). A big problem is that there's nothing tasteful or artistic about modern pornography-- 99% of it is disgusting, objectifying and sexist. It's successful because people consume it. I'm arguing that a women who enters this world is doing so to her own detriment-- and that kind of woman carries a lot of baggage. The point of the thread was to ask, would I date this person? The answer is no. I've dated enough crazy to have to deal with the emotional insecurities of a girl who resorted to pornography to get through life. My argument is actually less moral-conservative and more feminist in nature-- it's an attack on the life-sucking industry, not necessarily the people who get caught in it.

Pornography is not supposed to be tasteful or artistic it is supposed to be sexually arousing. If more people realized that we wouldn't waste all this time and money with endless legal wrangling. Even in a marriage when you have sex with your spouse do you want it to be tasteful and artistic or hot and dirty? Sex is dirty, that's what makes it fun. Porn is supposed to mirror sex, but take it to an exaggerated level. Nothing is unsexier than "tasteful porn"

I agree with Danoz that the mainstream porn industry has gone down a very unpleasant path in recent years.

It is overwhelmingly violent and misogynistic these days, mainstream porn used to be people having sex, now it is men abusing women. Not all of it, but a great deal of it, it's firmly in the mainstream now.

I have no problem with porn per se, but the demand that the content reflects is unfortunate. I tend to steer clear of pro-shot porn these days. Real people are so much more interesting anyway.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I wouldn't date somebody who hurts people for a living, either. I'm definitely not going to argue the point that pornography is less harmful than corruption and greed in the workplace (though I can assure you the pornography industry is hardly immune from such a thing). A big problem is that there's nothing tasteful or artistic about modern pornography-- 99% of it is disgusting, objectifying and sexist. It's successful because people consume it. I'm arguing that a women who enters this world is doing so to her own detriment-- and that kind of woman carries a lot of baggage. The point of the thread was to ask, would I date this person? The answer is no. I've dated enough crazy to have to deal with the emotional insecurities of a girl who resorted to pornography to get through life. My argument is actually less moral-conservative and more feminist in nature-- it's an attack on the life-sucking industry, not necessarily the people who get caught in it.

Pornography is not supposed to be tasteful or artistic it is supposed to be sexually arousing. If more people realized that we wouldn't waste all this time and money with endless legal wrangling. Even in a marriage when you have sex with your spouse do you want it to be tasteful and artistic or hot and dirty? Sex is dirty, that's what makes it fun. Porn is supposed to mirror sex, but take it to an exaggerated level. Nothing is unsexier than "tasteful porn"

I agree with Danoz that the mainstream porn industry has gone down a very unpleasant path in recent years.

It is overwhelmingly violent and misogynistic these days, mainstream porn used to be people having sex, now it is men abusing women. Not all of it, but a great deal of it, it's firmly in the mainstream now.

I have no problem with porn per se, but the demand that the content reflects is unfortunate. I tend to steer clear of pro-shot porn these days. Real people are so much more interesting anyway.

I think that's a bit much. The sort of porn you're talking about has always existed. The Internet has just made it much more accessible.

That said, I don't think the blatantly misogynistic brands of porn are as mainstream as you think. What, exactly, are you referring to? Just titles are fine. I don't think we need visual aids in Misc.

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

I wouldn't date somebody who hurts people for a living, either. I'm definitely not going to argue the point that pornography is less harmful than corruption and greed in the workplace (though I can assure you the pornography industry is hardly immune from such a thing). A big problem is that there's nothing tasteful or artistic about modern pornography-- 99% of it is disgusting, objectifying and sexist. It's successful because people consume it. I'm arguing that a women who enters this world is doing so to her own detriment-- and that kind of woman carries a lot of baggage. The point of the thread was to ask, would I date this person? The answer is no. I've dated enough crazy to have to deal with the emotional insecurities of a girl who resorted to pornography to get through life. My argument is actually less moral-conservative and more feminist in nature-- it's an attack on the life-sucking industry, not necessarily the people who get caught in it.

Pornography is not supposed to be tasteful or artistic it is supposed to be sexually arousing. If more people realized that we wouldn't waste all this time and money with endless legal wrangling. Even in a marriage when you have sex with your spouse do you want it to be tasteful and artistic or hot and dirty? Sex is dirty, that's what makes it fun. Porn is supposed to mirror sex, but take it to an exaggerated level. Nothing is unsexier than "tasteful porn"

I agree with Danoz that the mainstream porn industry has gone down a very unpleasant path in recent years.

It is overwhelmingly violent and misogynistic these days, mainstream porn used to be people having sex, now it is men abusing women. Not all of it, but a great deal of it, it's firmly in the mainstream now.

I have no problem with porn per se, but the demand that the content reflects is unfortunate. I tend to steer clear of pro-shot porn these days. Real people are so much more interesting anyway.

I take it your talking about stuff like Max Hardcore? I do think that stuff is more of a niche than the mainstream. They had porn like that back in the 70's, but since it was more expensive to make and distribute porn back then it just wasn't made as much. People thought the Dark Brothers were misogynistic in the 80's and there stuff is tame today. Considering that Max hardcore is in jail right now just for making those type of films i would say there has been something of a backlash against it as well.

 

[Pingfah]

^ No, i'm not just talking about that, i'm talking about the majority of the output of the most successful studios like Anabolic, Bang Brothers, Jules Jordan etc.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Yeah, I don't think that stuff is as popular as it might seem. They advertise the hell out of it, and they no doubt have a devoted fan base, but keep in mind that what's popular on the Internet is not necessarily what's popular in general. Lots of places still sell porn mags and DVDs, too, and most of that stuff isn't anywhere near that level.

 

[Pingfah]

^ Ah, true that my opinions are based on what is most popular on the torrent sites. My perception could be coloured. But the sheer volume of this stuff is pretty overwhelming.