Being a doctor isn't a credential for autism.
Especially autism is high functioning adults.
Where is the autism talk at?
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Especially autism is high functioning adults.
No, real credentials. Just like you demanded from Sran. Surely, you have a LinkedIn page?
You've been beyond rude to anyone that isn't interested in validating your pet theory. You say there are very few experts but act like you are one. Are you a physician of any kind?
what relevance does being a doctor have to do with autism?
When I was referencing credentials I meant specifically related to actual autism based therapies and the like.
It's been well established that doctors have been severely under-trained to identify autism for decades.
Specifically people on the high end of autism.
My girlfriend had to get her Doctor of mom to work in tangent with experts in western canada to track down a doctor in montreal to get her diagnosis.
http://www.ted.com/talks/steve_silb...tory_of_autism/transcript?language=en#t-27490
watch the fing video.
It's way established the medical community dropped the ball exceptionally hard on this one.
I actually live this, I"m surrounded by people that live this.
Since it is an actual physical defect with the brain, I would imagine a doctor would be one of the first people to talk to since they understand anatomy.
Which I'm sure is changing since we are beginning to understand more and more about Autism.
Of course, I'm sure her Mom was aware something was up to move forward in that manner. Being a doctor, she's aware of normal and abnormal behavior baselines.
Once again, do you have any actual credentials? You seem okay demanding them from other folks. It would be interesting to see yours...
Sometimes people are too close to a subject to be objective about it.
Something that suggest actual experience with more than 1 or 2, people on the autism spectrum, that are high functioning adults.
AKA people like worf.
That's true, as most physicians are unfamiliar with both the diagnosis and the management of autism; however, I never said that I was an expert. I said that I've experience caring for patients who are autistic; much of my knowledge regarding autism is derived from these experiences, as well as literature I've read in order to help me understand said patients better.
I would be more than happy to reexamine my views regarding autism, as well any other pervasive developmental disorder, provided I were given new information that either supplants or contradicts what I've learned previously. Beyond that, I can't help you.
--Sran
This is the reference to where you liekly have little experience dealing with people on the high end of the adult autistic spectrum.
To be clear, I was referring to scientific literature regarding autism, not my earlier statement that Worf's achievements make a diagnosis of autism less likely in him.
--Sran
Tough to debate someone when they've obviously made up their mind. This is time I'll never get back.
What "autistic therapies" in particular are you talking about? As a parent of two teenagers on the autistic spectrum and a Governor at a special needs school where over 50% of the students have a diagnosis on the spectrum I'm genuinely curious, because I've not heard the vague term "autistic therapies" used before.
As for Worf, I don't see him as being on the autistic spectrum. In the earlier seasons he exhibits the discomfort of being trapped between two cultures and not fully belonging to either of them. He must have faced quite a bit of racism growing up among humans, so no wonder he held Klingon culture in such high regard. It's like an orphaned child being teased for not having parents dreaming that their real mother is a princess. His discomfort comes not so much from his lack of knowledge of human social rules--from we've seen of his human mother she wouldn't have tolerated bad manners from him--but from not fitting in during his younger years, so he was always on the defensive.
Worf may hardly ever laugh but he has a sharp sense of humour and becomes so good at taking the piss out of people that often they do not know if Worf is being serious or not.
As for Worf, I don't see him as being on the autistic spectrum. In the earlier seasons he exhibits the discomfort of being trapped between two cultures and not fully belonging to either of them. He must have faced quite a bit of racism growing up among humans, so no wonder he held Klingon culture in such high regard. It's like an orphaned child being teased for not having parents dreaming that their real mother is a princess. His discomfort comes not so much from his lack of knowledge of human social rules--from we've seen of his human mother she wouldn't have tolerated bad manners from him--but from not fitting in during his younger years, so he was always on the defensive.
Worf may hardly ever laugh but he has a sharp sense of humour and becomes so good at taking the piss out of people that often they do not know if Worf is being serious or not.
^Were you asking me? I believe I said management, in which case I was referring to behavioral counseling; I've also dealt with children who received occupational therapy to assist with the development of their fine-motor skills, in the event that they had a concomitant motor deficit. There are no pharmacologic therapies for autism that I'm aware of.
--Sran
--Sran
It is my opinion that none of the characters in any of the Star trek TV shows are autistic. I do believe that characters such as Spock and Data who are written as outside observers of human folly are easily related to by autistic peeps or anybody with above average IQ for that matter.
I'm no psychologist at all, so all of this speculation.
Worf to me, seems more repressed than anything. He comes off more like a religious fanatic, except it's Klingon honor.
To be honest though, it did look like he showed some traits in certain episodes, like He that is without Sin.
And the other one where it's revealed he hasn't spoke to his son Alexander in--- 5 years, was it? Everything was OK, he just left him with his parents and contact was off for 5 years.
Worf's answer to that was what was so odd about it.
Data? I don't think so. Possibly at least a few traits -- He thought he had a real relationship with Tasha because of that drunken encounter.
Tasha was like, "It never happened".
Years later he still thought it was special and they had an intimate relationship. He just didn't understand.
Lal, Data's daughter, a possible candidate.
Seven of Nine might have show some slight signs of it. She kept repeating the Borg mantra and felt uncomfortable with situations that clashed with it.
It looked liked that the genetically engineered woman Julian treated had some form of it.
Worf to me, seems more repressed than anything. He comes off more like a religious fanatic, except it's Klingon honor.
To be honest though, it did look like he showed some traits in certain episodes, like He that is without Sin.
And the other one where it's revealed he hasn't spoke to his son Alexander in--- 5 years, was it? Everything was OK, he just left him with his parents and contact was off for 5 years.
Worf's answer to that was what was so odd about it.
Data? I don't think so. Possibly at least a few traits -- He thought he had a real relationship with Tasha because of that drunken encounter.
Tasha was like, "It never happened".
Years later he still thought it was special and they had an intimate relationship. He just didn't understand.
Lal, Data's daughter, a possible candidate.
Seven of Nine might have show some slight signs of it. She kept repeating the Borg mantra and felt uncomfortable with situations that clashed with it.
It looked liked that the genetically engineered woman Julian treated had some form of it.
I don't think any of the main characters in any of the tv series had autistic characterisitcs. Starfleet is an elite quasi military organization. The conversations we are have having today about autism are the problem mostly young people and children have in everyday life and school.
Getting into Starfleet is akin to trying to join the air force or naval academy. You have to have the academic credentials to get in and succeed. A posting to the Enterprise the flagship of the Federation is sliver, of a sliver of the general population.
If your behavior and mannerisms are heavily out of synch with the organization you are going to be selected out in the manner fighter pilots, submariners or astronauts are screened.
I don't see those with high functioning autism as going into the military branch(the setting of the various series) when the science division is the more likely end point for such people.
There is also the idea that autistic characters would be performed by people who are not autistic. To my knowledge none of the actors in Trek have such real life tendencies. The actors themselves pour a great deal of themselves into building their roles. I have no doubt the "humanity" of Spock was Leonard Nimoy channeling his most noble inner self. In a similar way Patrick Steward degraded the cerebral Picard when more of his true self bleed through in later seasons.
Do you want people faking behavior like the do on the Big Bang theory? I don't. Who in Hollywood has been diagnosed on the spectrum and are they right age to play career officers on Star Trek? The list is probably non-existant.
Getting into Starfleet is akin to trying to join the air force or naval academy. You have to have the academic credentials to get in and succeed. A posting to the Enterprise the flagship of the Federation is sliver, of a sliver of the general population.
If your behavior and mannerisms are heavily out of synch with the organization you are going to be selected out in the manner fighter pilots, submariners or astronauts are screened.
I don't see those with high functioning autism as going into the military branch(the setting of the various series) when the science division is the more likely end point for such people.
There is also the idea that autistic characters would be performed by people who are not autistic. To my knowledge none of the actors in Trek have such real life tendencies. The actors themselves pour a great deal of themselves into building their roles. I have no doubt the "humanity" of Spock was Leonard Nimoy channeling his most noble inner self. In a similar way Patrick Steward degraded the cerebral Picard when more of his true self bleed through in later seasons.
Do you want people faking behavior like the do on the Big Bang theory? I don't. Who in Hollywood has been diagnosed on the spectrum and are they right age to play career officers on Star Trek? The list is probably non-existant.
Leaving aside looks (if at all possible) what attartcs us to certain people, what part(s) of their personality attracts us?
Do we sometimes seek out others with some opposite traits to us, to perhaps counter balance what we might percieve as a weakness in our own personality, i.e would a shy person be attracted to a more out-going person or vice versa?
Isn't it a common critisim of men that we can be oblivious to someones interest in us? Or is that just "social norms" at work expecting men to do the pursuing after a few subtle hints have been dropped? When really in the 21st century it shouldn't matter who makes the first overt move.
Is Worf Autistic??
I am resisting a strong desire to close this thread down, as the discussion has gone way off the rails.
Questioning people's experience or professional bona fides doesn't help matters. No one is having their CV vetted here for this topic. Please lay off the personal commentaries, and stick to...well, the subject I guess...
I am resisting a strong desire to close this thread down, as the discussion has gone way off the rails.
Questioning people's experience or professional bona fides doesn't help matters. No one is having their CV vetted here for this topic. Please lay off the personal commentaries, and stick to...well, the subject I guess...
I don't think any of the characters mentioned on this thread are on the autistic spectrum, except possibly Barclay, who might have Asperger's, although a very mild form if so. However, even his awkwardness in social situations could be due to something else entirely.
That said, I don't think a normal human would be happy serving on a ship with a mostly Vulcan crew, but a high-functioning autistic might be happier there than anywhere else. I'm not saying Vulcans are autistic in any sense of the word, just that their behavior appears as similar to that of some high-functioning autistics.
That said, I don't think a normal human would be happy serving on a ship with a mostly Vulcan crew, but a high-functioning autistic might be happier there than anywhere else. I'm not saying Vulcans are autistic in any sense of the word, just that their behavior appears as similar to that of some high-functioning autistics.
I think it would be tough to figure out, because rarely (if ever) do we see Vulcans working with other Vulcans. We really don't know what Vulcan social norms are.
