Where is the autism talk at?

[Autistoid]

Given what Worf achieved in his career (senior officer on the Federation flagship) and in his personal life (married to a beautiful woman who could've had anyone she wanted), I've a hard time seeing autism as well.

--Sran

You do realize you have no idea what your talking about.

His relationship with dax is more proof then anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE4eW0fJyp4
(oh and why is martok saying and they say you have no sense of humour, this is typical worf humour seemingly out of place, and involved him no reaction from himself)

If you were to watch this episode much is explained.

Dax is attracted to his single mindedness, his sense of order which she lacks.

Further more the reason she's a attracted to a guy when he has all the choices in men is something like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmZx4yqguYk

Notice how he's oblivious to her interest, it's the kind of personality that made worf a challenge for her, hence the core of the relationship.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Taking that long to adapt to something that is blatantly obvious is the whole dam point. Riker figured out there culture in a week, worf was never able to get it.

Says who? Duras? Gowron? Most of the Klingons who accused Worf of not being Klingon enough were themselves poor examples of what a Klingon should be. Martok, who by all accounts represented his people extremely well, accepted Worf into his family--something I suspect he did not do on a whim. Worf also had a good relationship with Kor and earned the respect of K'mpec.

--Sran

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

You do realize you have no idea what your talking about.

Actually, you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm a physician and have cared for autistic children. Nothing about Worf's personality strikes me as being suggestive of autism.

--Sran

 

[BillJ]

You do realize you have no idea what your talking about.

Actually, you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm a physician and have cared for autistic children. Nothing about Worf's personality strikes me as being suggestive of autism.

--Sran

*Mic drop*

 

[Ithekro]

A century ago, being left-handed was a problem to be corrected (because being left handed was evil or something. Sinister I think the word is). One of my grandmothers was left-handed but forced to write right-handed for much of her life.

On the other hand, she also read tea leaves and other such things until she predicted (accurately) one of her cousin's deaths. It scared her.

My cousins (her other two grandchildren) are into that a bit. One had a Wiccan wedding. So a lot had changed in a century.

What more will change in another three and a half centuries?

 

[Autistoid]

You do realize you have no idea what your talking about.

Actually, you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm a physician and have cared for autistic children. Nothing about Worf's personality strikes me as being suggestive of autism.

--Sran

*Mic drop*

Lol yeah right, my girlfriends mother is a physician, don't mean she knows a dam about autism.

The majority of doctor's don't know fuck all about autism.

This isn't much of an opinion. There are a handful of actual autism experts.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

*Mic drop*

I'll be here all week.

Seriously, I've a hard time seeing any autistic traits in Worf. The rigidity and single-mindedness that Autistoid cities as evidence of Worf's autism are common among Klingons--and Romulans, apparently, if we're to believe Ensign DeSeve's description of them. Does that mean all Klingons and Romulans are autistic?

I can believe that Bashir may have been autistic given his struggles in school prior to his genetic enhancements, but I don't buy the idea that every character whose behavior falls outside the social norms of his or her people has a developmental problem; behavior is driven by multiple factors and should never be attributed to any single cause or idea.

Admittedly, I'd always assumed Worf's restraint was the result of his Starfleet training until he shared the story about his having fatally injured another child during a soccer match, an event that was likely extremely traumatic for both him and his family, as well as well as the family of the child who was killed. I don't think it's right to draw conclusions about the reasons underlying any person's behavior--fictional or otherwise--as we know only what we're told on-screen.

--Sran

 

[BillJ]

There are a handful of actual autism experts.

Are you one? If not, I'll take the opinion of someone in the medical profession over yours.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

The majority of doctor's don't know fuck all about autism.

Who says I'm part of that majority? In any case, unless you can cite specific manuscripts authored by these experts, I've no reason to accept the validity of you argument.

--Sran

 

[Autistoid]

The majority of doctor's don't know fuck all about autism.

Who says I'm part of that majority? In any case, unless you can cite specific manuscripts authored by these experts, I've no reason to accept the validity of you argument.

--Sran

Oh yes I'm gonna go spend the next two hours carrying the burden of proof for the sake of a star trek form.

.... aright I'll do it if you send me your credentials, a list of your patiences etc.

Your over stepping your credentials.

You know it, if were actually directly involved, you would be dropping more relevant information than "I'm a doctor"

Given what Worf achieved in his career (senior officer on the Federation flagship) and in his personal life (married to a beautiful woman who could've had anyone she wanted), I've a hard time seeing autism as well.

--Sran

This is where the question of his credentials comes in.

This is not the quote of someone who has much experience with high functioning adults.

 

[sojourner]

It's more than you've provided.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The majority of doctor's don't know fuck all about autism.

Who says I'm part of that majority? In any case, unless you can cite specific manuscripts authored by these experts, I've no reason to accept the validity of you argument.

--Sran

Oh yes I'm gonna go spend the next two hours carrying the burden of proof for the sake of a star trek form.

.... aright I'll do it if you send me your credentials, a list of your patiences etc.

Yes, please send me, guy on the internet, your patient records; HIPAA be damned!

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

.... aright I'll do it if you send me your credentials, a list of your patiences etc.

You're more than welcome to view my Linkedin profile here. I'm afraid I can't send you any patient information, as that's prohibited by law.

--Sran

 

[BillJ]

You know it, if were actually directly involved, you would be dropping more relevant information than "I'm a doctor"

Why? He stated he is a physician who has worked with Autism patients.

You laid down the gauntlet by claiming other people have no idea what they're talking about. So maybe it is you that should put up their credentials?

You do realize you have no idea what your talking about.

It seems you really aren't interested in a discussion, but to have a pet theory validated.

 

[Autistoid]

.... aright I'll do it if you send me your credentials, a list of your patiences etc.

You're more than welcome to view my Linkedin profile here. I'm afraid I can't send you any patient information, as that's prohibited by law.

--Sran

All I get is that your a doctor?

Where the patient loads that are primarily autistic?

Where is the part where your showing some reference to actual autistic therapies etc?

 

[JWPlatt]

Admittedly, I'd always assumed Worf's restraint was the result of his Starfleet training until he shared the story about his having fatally injured another child during a soccer match, an event that was likely extremely traumatic for both him and his family, as well as well as the family of the child who was killed.

Keep in mind that any portrayal of Worf prior to that script being written was not informing the character whatsoever up to that point, and it was probably soon forgotten once it was in the can. And any dimensionality to any character is strictly limited to what is shown such that personalities are extremely limited. Real people in this context might appear fixated and highly repetitive or exclusive of specific behaviors. So if we never see them cry, they never cry... or, strangely, never go to the bathroom... We can only go by what we see since the character is fiction - the rest is speculation or extrapolation.

 

[BillJ]

You're more than welcome to view my Linkedin profile here. I'm afraid I can't send you any patient information, as that's prohibited by law.

--Sran

*Mic drop!*

 

[JWPlatt]

I think the thread (and the moderator) has gone off topic a bit? How about back to austistic behavior in Star Trek characters?

 

[Autistoid]

You know it, if were actually directly involved, you would be dropping more relevant information than "I'm a doctor"

Why? He stated he is a physician who has worked with Autism patients.

You laid down the gauntlet by claiming other people have no idea what they're talking about. So maybe it is you that should put up their credentials?

You do realize you have no idea what your talking about.

It seems you really aren't interested in a discussion, but to have a pet theory validated.

Point to name.

You think that's just an accidental name?

I"m actively involved in autism politics, I"m surrounded by autistic people, all of my rescent social circle is autistic, I know multiple experts who spend all day with autism, etc.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Keep in mind that any portrayal of Worf prior to that script being written was not informing the character whatsoever up to that point, and it was probably soon forgotten once it was in the can. And any dimensionality to any character is strictly limited to what is shown such that personalities are extremely limited. Real people in this context might appear fixated and highly repetitive. So if we never see them cry, they never cry... or go to the bathroom...

That's a good point; I guess I've always given characters the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their behavior, as we see them only when something happens to them. It's difficult to know how either Picard or Sisko behaves when he has nothing to do, as we never see them doing nothing.

--Sran