What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!

[Anwar]

people who moan about ENT and ignore the continuity cock-ups in TOS.

TOS gets a pass because it was first and didn't suck.

Mostly.

Not as much as ENT, okay?

The Ferengi and Borg shit still bothers me...

ENT's continuity problems aren't that bad to begin with, usually blown out of proportion by the Hatedom. It was at least internally consistent, which is more than can be said for TOS (and no, being made in the 60s is no excuse).

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I'm not excessively bothered by ENT. I actually have more of an issue with Seven of Nine's character appearing to break continuity with what we have previously seen of freed Borg. I understand that some people don't like "I, Borg" and "Descent" (though I like those episodes), but I just can't reconcile Hugh's behavior and Seven's. It gets even weirder with the assertion that Seven has some kind of device that prevents her experiencing strong emotions. Hugh was flagrantly emotional; I'd even go so far as to say that his first response to anything was from the heart, not from his head. He's almost McCoy of Borg!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I just can't reconcile Hugh's behavior and Seven's.

Hugh seemed to individualize fairly quickly.

In any case, Seven had the advantage of never being thrown into the brig and isolated from the get-go, like Hugh was. She had a ship full of people actively helping her to individualize from the moment she set foot on the deck. Hugh didn't have that. He had to just sit in the brig and people came to talk to him.

Plus, AFAIK, Seven was initially *assigned* by the Collective to work with the crew. So she may have been given an extra measure of individuality to prepare for it.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Yet even without the kind of interaction Seven had, Hugh caught on very quickly to emotions. They seemed to come right out of him in a matter of days. In comparison, Seven's emotional development seemed stunted; she was more like the Doctor, Data, or Spock. Hugh, on the other hand, while he had a lot to learn, seemed to be a very quick study when it came to emotions, having the absorbing capacity of a child. (And I mean that in a good sense, in that children tend to be very quick learners.)

I don't see how after clearly establishing how strong Hugh's emotions were, and how quickly he began to express them (including with some very typical "humanoid teenager" errors), how Seven could be so stunted. Hugh showed no evidence of memories of a "past life" yet learned that. Seven had memories of humanity and all of what you would think would be advantages, that you described above, yet did not.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Maybe Seven was just arrogant by nature and therefore more prone to denial?

 

[Arpy]

That bitch.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

^ Maybe Seven was just arrogant by nature and therefore more prone to denial?

But it wasn't just that. The show actually claimed she had some kind of implant that all Borg had, whose purpose was to prevent strong emotional responses. Hugh showed not even the SLIGHTEST evidence of such an implant. That makes VOY a definite continuity fubar on that count.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Ah, but do we have any proof that this implant exists beyond Seven's word on the subject?

 

[JB2005]

Well the Doc definitely removed something in Endgame...

And it did try to kill her in Human Error...

Also the individuality nixing implant may have come about because of hugh?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Also the individuality nixing implant may have come about because of hugh?

Could be, could be...

 

[Roald]

About Scotty; I've always assumed that Scotty was kind of in denial over Kirk's death, that he soooo wanted his old captain to be still alive, that the line between reality and wishful fantasy started to blur.

 

[JB2005]

I assumed it was a Jack O'Neill type reaction: "I'm not buying it this time!"

 

[CorporalCaptain]

About Scotty; I've always assumed that Scotty was kind of in denial over Kirk's death, that he soooo wanted his old captain to be still alive, that the line between reality and wishful fantasy started to blur.

Except that Relics had been broadcast before Berman got the order to begin developing Generations.

 

[Gaith]

The superfast Earth-to-Vulcan ride in XI.

 

[The_Baroness]

The superfast Earth-to-Vulcan ride in XI.

So you wanted them to show the entire several hour journey?

I think we're supposed to assume that it had been several hours before Chekov's message was delivered

 

[SPCTRE]

The Kelvin's registry number.

Yeah, that's right. I'm totally serious.

What?

 

[Anwar]

^ Maybe Seven was just arrogant by nature and therefore more prone to denial?

But it wasn't just that. The show actually claimed she had some kind of implant that all Borg had, whose purpose was to prevent strong emotional responses. Hugh showed not even the SLIGHTEST evidence of such an implant. That makes VOY a definite continuity fubar on that count.

Hugh and Seven were two different types of Borg: Seven was assimilated and used to be human, Hugh was one of those "Baby Borgs" like the ones we saw in "Q Who?". He was never an individual to begin with, and thus any devices used on assimilated drones wouldn't have been necessary with him.

That's why he needed a name and stuff, he was never an individual in the first place. Same for all the other Borg on his ship who got infected by his individuality, none of them had past lives to return to.

 

[The Wormhole]

They did? What ep was that, I wanna watch it!

Not All Dogs go to Heaven, the one which featured the TNG cast. The scene in question is only in the DVD version of the episode. Basically two fans are arguing, one points out that Scotty should have known Kirk was dead in Relics, the other points out the signal degradation which could have effected his memories. Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes then walk by, beat them up and steal their lunch money.

DVD extras aren't canon!

It's not really a DVD extra, it's actually an extended cut of the episode released exclusively on the DVD.

The Kelvin's registry number.

Yeah, that's right. I'm totally serious.

What?

I agree.

 

[SPCTRE]

The Kelvin's registry number.

Yeah, that's right. I'm totally serious.

What?

I agree.

Somehow I had a feeling you would

 

[JarodRussell]

The superfast Earth-to-Vulcan ride in XI.

So you wanted them to show the entire several hour journey?

I think we're supposed to assume that it had been several hours before Chekov's message was delivered

I must have shown it a hundred times already. The way the scene is edited, there can't be a timespan in between. Sulu reports they have reached maximum warp, and in the very same scene, Chekov makes the announcement. Unless the acceleration to maximum warp takes several hours, the journey to Vulcan as seen in this movie takes 5 minutes. One of several cases in the movie where the writer's/director's intention wasn't properly executed. We are supposed to assume that it takes several hours (that's the intention), but the editing doesn't support this (that's the execution).
Had Sulu reported maximum warp before they cut to McCoy and Kirk walking into sickbay, or had they removed Sulu's report altogether, then it would have been right.