One of those moments where it becomes clear to me that some of us just like and want different things. I thought Picard was probably the worst show in the franchise so far, and I don’t really like DS9 either.
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One of those moments where it becomes clear to me that some of us just like and want different things. I thought Picard was probably the worst show in the franchise so far, and I don’t really like DS9 either.
I loved Picard and didn't like alot of Discovery but even I think there isn't much difference between the 2 shows other than Picard having characters I am more connected to and memberberries that I prefer the flavour of.
definitely. But I think most will agree that it has pacing issues.
Maybe I'm just not enough of a TV buff but I don't understand what pacing issues means. I can watch any show no matter how fast or slow as long as the story is good and the only big issue I see with PIC and DSC is they both botched the big shock reveals
The first few episodes of PIC are a slow burn, but this show is also about someone who's in his 90s.
Superfastpaced! is not what I'm expecting. So I think it's fine.
Superfastpaced! is not what I'm expecting. So I think it's fine.
Picard felt like a one-trick pony, the only way they could make an impact was via death, which got tiresome. I actually think Discovery is the better show, which says something.
I think Picard was a better show than Discovery mostly because Jean Luc is a more compelling character than Michael Burnham. Not just because of the TNG baggage either.
Though it's interesting how in Discovery, all of the other characters keep telling Michael how awesome she is, whereas in Picard, everyone tells Jean Luc how much he sucks.
Though it's interesting how in Discovery, all of the other characters keep telling Michael how awesome she is, whereas in Picard, everyone tells Jean Luc how much he sucks.
in picard’s case the pacing issue, for me, was that there were loooong episodes where nothing happened, then a lot of stuff happened all at once and we were back to nothing happening again.
In fact, as I’ve state elsewhere, I think an edit removing a lot of scenes would improve the series.
They said it was more like a 10-hour movie, so that's what I went into it with the mindset of. When you apply a three-act structure to 10 hours, it moves the way I'd think it would. You guys would hate Better Call Saul.
Anyway, in theory, Act I is the first 25% of a film, Act II is the middle 50%, and Act III is the last 25%. In theory. The third act is always faster than the first act since it doesn't have to set everything up. So, in practice, Act I is the first 30% (first three episodes), Act II is 50% (the next five episodes), and Act III is 20% (the last two).
This is the Syd Field structure of Screenwriting. (link) It's the standard and what I was taught when I was in college.
Anyway, in theory, Act I is the first 25% of a film, Act II is the middle 50%, and Act III is the last 25%. In theory. The third act is always faster than the first act since it doesn't have to set everything up. So, in practice, Act I is the first 30% (first three episodes), Act II is 50% (the next five episodes), and Act III is 20% (the last two).
This is the Syd Field structure of Screenwriting. (link) It's the standard and what I was taught when I was in college.
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Yeah, and most other highly rated modern TV. And that’s fine, but TV has moved on. I personally love that, it allows for things that movies and old fashioned episodic TV just can’t.
Different type of show entirely. You can be methodically-paced but the elements of the story still have to evolve. Which really doesn't happen in either live-action show. Both are stuck in the "gravity" of being franchise shows, you really can't shake anything up to any real degree.
Better Call Saul is a prequel to Breaking Bad where we already know the fates of the most of the characters. There are a few characters we don't know the fates of, but not most of them. The show has to end synching up with Breaking Bad. So it has less room to be "shaken up" than Discovery or Picard combined.
And you can't tell me with a straight face that DSC didn't evolve from the first season to the third. The entire premise of the show changed. Burnham isn't mentally in the same place. Saru isn't in the same place. Arcs resolved from one season to the next. Better Call Saul basically has the first three seasons for an arc and then (what will be) the last three seasons for an arc.
Picard at the beginning of PIC S1 is ready to die and still hasn't gotten over what happened with Data. At the end of the season, he has a new lease on life (figuratively and literally) and he's made peace with Data's fate. He also got to confront his inner-demons with the Borg in a way he didn't get to in First Contact. He started to see the Borg as something other than monsters. And I'm going to spoil this for you: he does not become Captain of La Serina. Let me repeat that. HE DOES NOT. Rios stays in command. Picard is just an elder statesmen. I know you were so convinced that wasn't the way it would play out, but it was. The character moved forward into being something he wasn't before.
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That isn't evolution, that is them getting out of an area they were roundly criticized for trying to be in, in the first place.
Outside of the aberration in "The Vulcan Hello" very little about the character has changed.
Have to wait and see. For me, I see very little about the character that has changed beyond being less concerned about being food.
It adapted to survive. It moved from the ocean to land. It replaced gills (23rd Century) with lungs (32nd Century).
What it wasn't was gradual evolution. It happened over the space of "Such Sweet Sorrow" where in Part I they saw the need to jump forward, in Part II they actually did, and then everyone who was left behind covered it up.
It was already cut in my brain. Also the Romulan trance sceneThe only scene they should cut forever from all copies is the romantic slippery sock slide on the Borg cube
funny, I actually liked that. The trance scene, though...The only scene they should cut forever from all copies is the romantic slippery sock slide on the Borg cube
Very much so. It’s kind of a shaky first season in some ways — and the main plot isn’t the greatest — but it more than makes up for it with heart, humanity, and a few sublime episodes.
I don't. In fact I may have sidetracked this thread by saying I prefer Picard's pacing to Discovery. Not being action packed doesn't mean it has pacing problems. I think Discovery is a little too fast paced, LD is way too fast paced, Picard is just right.
Now trying to get back to the OP topic, I like the opening scene. I also like the weird touch screen of Book's ship. But where is the cat?
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