The characters in SNW communicate in quips. Its sub Buffy and MCU level stuff.
I don't like this news about SNW season 3 from Screen Rant
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The characters in SNW communicate in quips. Its sub Buffy and MCU level stuff.
Nah. They quip. Some more than others, but it's not the primary type of dialog.
no as in it hasn't infiltrated SNW? that's promising and good. again I haven't really watched much of it, but i guess, from a life long Trek fan, it would be disappointing to see a franchise assimilate (sorry couldn't help myself!) into some "bad habits" of modern writing.
It's hardly a modern habit.
So what the hell are we arguing about?
I'm guessing you weren't a fan of Dr McCoy?
I’ve had a bad weekend so it’s maybe making me come down harder on the show than it deserves. But for me there’s just a tonal imbalance…which might be ironed out if there were more episodes per season. For me there’s just too much emphasis on the silly, humorous side and this extends to the interpersonal interplay. As Sisko once said, “Too much fun!”
But we can’t all love every Trek.
using my Thor/MCU example as a template (which was the whole point here), can you show me where Bones did the same? i.e. injecting humor into a serious dramatic moment?
I'm not arguing BTW, (and I understand how forum dynamics work), the original post that was quoted, I agreed with a segment of, which is why that segment in particular was parsed out...
It's tone shifts every episode, much as TOS did. I wouldn't call "Lift Us Up Where Suffering Cannot Reach", "A Quality of Mercy", "Under the Cloak of War" or any of the Gorn episodes as silly fun. Even a fish out of water story like "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" take a dark turn not unlike "COTEOF".
key word there is "imbalance", humor in a dramatic setting should be used with great care, otherwise it undermines that very drama
If you're asking for an example of Bones making a joke at what might be considered an inappropriate moment, I'd say something like The Devil in the Dark.
He's making jokes about not being a bricklayer, all while Kirk is ordering him to try and heal a dying creature that's the last living example of its kind. All after Spock has had a deeply emotional experience with creature. Also while an angry mob wants to murder it for defending its unborn children.
Not that I personally consider inappropriate. I consider it part of McCoy's character. People crack jokes at inappropriate and stressful conditions all the time. It's something that made the characters from The Original Series feel more like actual people when compared to other characters in the franchise.
It works in the context of the scene...and TBH he is not really saying it to elicit a laugh, he's saying it more out of confusion or frustration...totally different that trying to gratuitously generate a laugh in a dramatic moment which is what the MCU is constantly trying to do...and hopefully not SNW...and from what I gather in the various posts here, this may not be the case, which is good to hear.
I have no problem with humor in context, what I find troubling is humor in non-consistent situations. I was watching some show/movie the other day (can't remember what it was!) and there was a scene where three characters were trying to escape a lethal situation by running away...all the while they were making verbal jabs at each other regarding their personal quirks, or fashion sense, or dietary choices...totally inconsistent with the supposed gravitas of the situation they were in..(at that point it was time to turn off the show and play some God of War: Raganrok!!!!)
I have no problem with humor in context, what I find troubling is humor in non-consistent situations. I was watching some show/movie the other day (can't remember what it was!) and there was a scene where three characters were trying to escape a lethal situation by running away...all the while they were making verbal jabs at each other regarding their personal quirks, or fashion sense, or dietary choices...totally inconsistent with the supposed gravitas of the situation they were in..(at that point it was time to turn off the show and play some God of War: Raganrok!!!!)
When quips became one of Marvel's many sins that has created a pox upon all media.
So the point I was trying to make was simply that I agreed with the idea of using humor at opportune times, and not gratuitously, The original poster stated his/her concern about humor overtaking the show, and to be completely honest I have not watched enough of the show to ascertain if this is what is happening, From what I saw in season one, it hadn't at the time. BUt i"ve kind of lost interest in the series TBH, no specific reason.
the point was not to anger Marvel fanboys, but I understand the dynamics of forums, the splitting, the attempts at "gotcha", the superiority complexes, and eventually the ad hominem attacks, it's the same in all forums/MBs. Having said that, how it relates is the hope that SNW will not fall into the traps of the MCU by using humor in absurd situations...I'm new to these forums so I know there needs to be an initiation period :-) , whether here or the Philadelphia Flyers MB I go to or the Political Speak MB I frequent, so let me just say "Hello Everybody!"
So we have another Ignorant nOOb here. You too can keep your whining to yourself.
This appears to be a response to a post from January, that you already responded to here:
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Someone reported it and I had missed it previously.
Speaking of Harry Mudd...although this is not canon, is ALMOST WAS...there were plans for a Harry Mudd episode of The Next Generation. I remember reading about it way back in the day, I THINK in the Official Fan Club Magazine, as is was called back then. In the Episode, the Enterprise-D crew was going to have found a pod floating in space with a cryogenic pod, with a frozen Harry Mudd. There wasn't much in the article about the main plot details, but I remember it was going the have a scene where Mudd was going to have so opportunity to get rich, but somehow the Enterprise was in danger of being destroyed, likely as part of whatever Mudd's plan was, and at the very last minute he was going to choose to save the Enterprise crew, and say "This one's for Kirk and Spock!"
WHICH...would kinda be a bit out of character for the...um...character...but maybe they would have implied that Mudd had MORE run-in's with Kirk and Spock and the Enterprise crew, and he lightened up!? Maybe!?
Unfortunately the actor died before the episode could be filmed...and I got the idea that the episode was never even in the production schedule, but that if it had, it would have been like like the first or second season, and that would have violated Gene's rule about not mentioning Kirk or Spock or any of the original crew...for some dumb reason.
Really too bad it was never made.
Edited to add: Looking at the date the Roger C. Carmel died, in November 1986, this would have had to have been an episode considered for season 1, but obviously would have had to have been abandoned with the actor's passing.
WHICH...would kinda be a bit out of character for the...um...character...but maybe they would have implied that Mudd had MORE run-in's with Kirk and Spock and the Enterprise crew, and he lightened up!? Maybe!?
Unfortunately the actor died before the episode could be filmed...and I got the idea that the episode was never even in the production schedule, but that if it had, it would have been like like the first or second season, and that would have violated Gene's rule about not mentioning Kirk or Spock or any of the original crew...for some dumb reason.
Really too bad it was never made.
Edited to add: Looking at the date the Roger C. Carmel died, in November 1986, this would have had to have been an episode considered for season 1, but obviously would have had to have been abandoned with the actor's passing.
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Rumor was that idea was proposed/floated as a possible story for the TNG pilot episode and might have been done had Roger C. Carmel not passed away in November 1986.Speaking of Harry Mudd...although this is not canon, is ALMOST WAS...there were plans for a Harry Mudd episode of The Next Generation. I remember reading about it way back in the day, I THINK in the Official Fan Club Magazine, as is was called back then. In the Episode, the Enterprise-D crew was going to have found a pod floating in space with a cryogenic pod, with a frozen Harry Mudd. There wasn't much in the article about the main plot details, but I remember it was going the have a scene where Mudd was going to have so opportunity to get rich, but somehow the Enterprise was in danger of being destroyed, likely as part of whatever Mudd's plan was, and at the very last minute he was going to choose to save the Enterprise crew, and say "This one's for Kirk and Spock!"
WHICH...would kinda be a bit out of character for the...um...character...but maybe they would have implied that Mudd had MORE run-in's with Kirk and Spock and the Enterprise crew, and he lightened up!? Maybe!?
Unfortunately the actor died before the episode could be filmed...and I got the idea that the episode was never even in the production schedule, but that if it had, it would have been like like the first or second season, and that would have violated Gene's rule about not mentioning Kirk or Spock or any of the original crew...for some dumb reason.
Really too bad it was never made.
Edited to add: Looking at the date the Roger C. Carmel died, in November 1986, this would have had to have been an episode considered for season 1, but obviously would have had to have been abandoned with the actor's passing.
In the 23rd century, they've learned not to fear words.This thread isn't about that luckily, it's about SNW overall which is what we should all be focusing on
Count me among those who don't want SNW to fall into the same trap as Thor: Love and Thunder and become a caricature, but if anything, the tone so far is more serious excluding the comedy romp episode featuring Trelayne.
As for Subspace Rhapsody, I was fully prepared to hate it but it was crammed so full of character development, it turned out to be a rare 10/10 for me.
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