Indeed, yes. I think if I were to do a new Star Trek show I would do a combination of Voyager and Stargate: Atlantis.
Voyager inconsistencies.
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Whenever I think about the specifics of a new Trek show, 'Voyager done right' is one of the first things that springs to mind. Even airing ten years later might have given it the chance it needed. Battlestar Galactica is a clear example of making more of that kind of potential.
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Regarding Janeway, it should also be noted that the leader of the writers' room changed a LOT on VOYAGER, I think even more than in TNG. That could be a big reason why we got such a disconnect with her character.
That's nothing compared to the revolving door that was Discovery writers and production
Still sucked.
What for you sucked on Battlestar Galactica?
For me it was the overall tone of the show. Always depressing never light, and it just didn't seem to take a break. Plus the whole lie of "plan" the Cylons didn't have a plan except "shoot humans" at least that's what it felt like watching the show. I might do a rewatch one day if I can muster the will.
Just depressing. No heroes, no good guys; just slow, methodical torture.
I have to disagree with this. BSG had its good guys. Maybe they were a little bit more complex and layered, and maybe they sometimes made bad choices, but when push came to shove they were every bit as heroic as anyone we would see on Star Trek.
Getting back to Voyager, I've always thought that Rick Berman saw Star Trek in the mold of the big action/adventure shows of the 80s. He didn't care about continuity or canon because on shows like The A-Team or Knight Rider it was much more important to have a fun adventure that could be wrapped up in an hour than to have any kind of ongoing storyline. I mean, if the General Lee could be inconsistent from episode to episode on The Dukes of Hazzard, why care about how many shuttles and torpedos Voyager carried?
I never watched much of the Dukes but what was inconsistent about the General Lee?
Because they made it a point of it. Specifically. In the show.
Feel free to disagree. There was not a shred of hope within that frame. I have watched a lot of depressing things, heard a lot of painful tales, listened to a lot of human misery, but I haven't felt so depressed since watching BSG. It sucked frontways to backways and any good done was sucked away by misery.
They needed to use hundreds of cars over the years because of all the jumps and other stunts that they did, so they needed to use different models in order to source sufficient vehicles. In the last few years of the show, they even used remote controlled cars because they couldn't find enough real cars to convert.
I kind of suspect the focus on resource issues was Michael Piller's doing. Once he left the show, any emphasis on running out of torpedos, shuttles, etc. was dropped.
I still think Voyager would have benefitted from them being a little more desperate, a little more piraty.
I don't know about piraty but at least feeling they there is a struggle, that stuff actually matters.
DISCOVERY is not done yet. Until it finishes, it would not be fair to say that, which is why I didn't include it in my comparison. Remember, TNG pretty much had a different head writer each year for the first 3 years. DISCOVERY, so far, is mirroring that, and a couple more. But it looks like season 4 will be about the same as the season 3 staff, so only time will tell now.
And idiotic omissions. It reminds me of a show I did once, where a character was supposed to have a given prop, so they were using a broom to sub for it. Well, they never got said prop, and wound up carrying the broom throughout the show's actual run.
The doctor never got a name. Harry was never developed. And simple fixes to inconsistencies were never put into play. The whole thing seems too slick to be done by amateurs, but too many boneheaded mistakes to have been done by professionals.
The doctor never got a name. Harry was never developed. And simple fixes to inconsistencies were never put into play. The whole thing seems too slick to be done by amateurs, but too many boneheaded mistakes to have been done by professionals.
I'd like it a little more Aubrey/Maturin rather than piraty. Not having the same resources they're used to and maybe being forced into closer contact by sealing off parts of the ship to save energy would have been a great chance for that kind of old-fashioned age of sail camaraderie. Or if you want to get all TOS about it, something like this:
More this, less holodeck. Not that I care about holodeck episodes being silly because they're a great storytelling device, but having it so available really didn't make the most of Voyager's situation.
