Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Xhiandra, Jun 30, 2020.
"Any aggressive act against this crew will be met with the deadliest force..."
One of my faves.
After the reset, wasn't Krenim space not as vast as it was at the start of the "year of hell."
No, I don't think it was. Annorax's first deletion restored the Imperium to power, but killed his wife. And the rest was (erased) history.
I thought it was a nice irony that the solution to get his wife back was to stop trying. Annorax was a megalomaniac, but it did make you wonder... was time itself actually punishing him?
As the years have gone by, I lean toward yes.
He wanted both increased power and influence for Krenim and he wanted his wife back. Time wouldn't let him have both.
I thought that the irony was that Annorax spends 200 years, launching an endless succession of calculated incursions into history, trying to get his desired result, and failing miserably.
Kathryn Janeway, filthy, crazed, covered with burn scars, flies her scorched, battered, wreck of a starship into the timeship, incinerating Voyager and herself... and knocks it out of the park.
I mean it made very much sense that the solution to undoing all the damage the Time Ship had done was simply erasing the Time Ship from history.
In the new/restored timeline he never finished the Time Ship because he spent more time with is wife instead and everybody was happy. However the Krenim were also less powerful, since their great enemy was never erased.
But in my opinion the different reactions Janeway had to the two encounters about no crossing disputed space really shows how inconsistently, and kinda...uh...volatile..?...her character was written.
At the beginning of the Hell Week episodes, when Voyager had contact with the Krenim and they possessed a time ship a Krenim destroyer attacked Voyager unprovoked and demand they leave Krenim space.
At the end of the Hell Week episodes and the reset of time loop, when Voyager had contact with Krenim when they didn't possess a time ship the Krenim didn't demand that Voyager stay out of Krenim space. The Krenim ship was giving a warning to Voyager that it was a disputed region. No demand, just a suggestion to avoid the region. Voyager could choose to ignore the warning and proceed at their own risk.
Different circumstances will give you a different response.
Usually it's Janeway who's written inconsistently. But in "Year of Hell" Chakotay was as well. Once he and Tom and taken onboard the timeship, he become's Annorax's best pal and helps him with his temporal calculations. At one point he even calls Annorax "an enlightened man".
Was it supposed to be Stockholm Syndrome? We're never sure. Suddenly he just loses his moral compass and orders Tom to not revolt against the Krenim.
A few that drive me nuts:
Seven has her "first dream" in "Unimatrix Zero"...in Season 7, after she's not only dreamed in at least three previous episodes, but her dreams were a major plot point in "the Raven," shortly after she came aboard!
The flashbacks in "Latent Image" are set before Seven came aboard, yet everything is Season 4 sans the absence of Seven. (Namely Janeway's hair and Tom having Kes's job)
Tom being so OOC in "Before and After," and B'Elanna having NO Klingon temper, or even a human one, for much of Season 2. Especially in regards to Seska!
All the blatant errors in Jeri Taylor's highly overrated novel "Pathways."
Saying Seven was the only one ever to leave the Collective. No.
In Parallax, and many subsequent episodes it is asserted that the holodeck power source is, somehow, not compatible with the rest of the ship, and so power from the holodecks cannot be diverted to help more important processes. In Fair Haven, suddenly it can.
Maybe Seven, obsessed with efficiency, remodulated the power converters on the hologrid. Voila, instant compatibility.
I still want Scorpion Part III where the ship parks itself in the intergalactic car wash to have all of its Borg mods removed. Continuity right out the window!
Maybe they visited one of those "Dead Stop" stations, which had grown into a galaxy spanning chain in the last 220 years. Presumably one with a full complement of brains, since no one was taken. I could even imagine the following...
STATION: "Your inquiry was not recognized."
JANEWAY: "You know, there's something familiar about that voice."
PARIS: "I was just about to say the same thing."
B'ELANNA: "I think you're imagining things."
TOM & JANEWAY: "..."
At least they managed some progress in subtlety since the days of Data-getting-stuck-in-the-Chinese-finger-trap.
If I were B'Elanna, I would simply divert attention by showing Janeway the Starfleet profiles of Nick Locarno and that unnamed (human) Lieutenant in the Enterprise-B crew.
And a maybe certain Ferengi doctor from the Marauder Kraylor?
To me, the single biggest inconsistency is that no one acts as if they could be stuck on Voyager for the rest of their lives. No one ever seriously thinks about leaving the ship and settling down somewhere (like they had an opportunity to do in "The 37's"). No one seems to have formed any serious romantic relationships except for Tom and B'Elanna. No one thinks about having babies (until Miral is born in the finale).
Seriously, it's a toss-up as to who is acts more realistically when they are stranded, the crew of Voyager or the inhabitants of Gilligan's Island.
I agree, though I think in time Voyager might have become intergenerational. I think that on the 23-year journey that "should have" happened, people probably were pairing off. Hence Chakotay/7.
The problem was the writing staff was just not as good as the other shows. It also suffered from way more show runners. Michael Piller, Jeri Taylor, Brannon Braga, Kenneth Biller.
They dabbled in continuity and arcs, but also were episodic. So whereas TNG the characters were largely set in stone for the entire seventh season and they couldn't move much beyond their bound, Voyager was dabbling with evolving the characters in a format that didn't allow them to evolve consistently.
So it's full of inconsistencies. And if you read the interviews with Ronald D Moore it was one of is frustrations, that there was no plotting of character journeys - it's just whatever you want to do that week.
And I think that's really most evident in Janeway, where Kate Mulgrew played her eager beaver at first then a mean old drunk towards the end.
Well, these were people who didn't even know that an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant. You can't expect competent performance from them, can you?
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