Voyager inconsistencies.

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Xhiandra, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. Mister Spock

    Mister Spock Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2013
    Location:
    North London, England
    A starship's brig isn't really suitable for the long-term holding of a prisoner. It's basically a slightly more advanced holding cell to what you get in modern police stations, and didn't offer Suder anything more than a bed and the most basic of hygiene facilities. They were there to hold someone until they could be handed over to the proper authorities.

    As he was effectively going to be a prisoner for the rest of his life, it was the sensible idea to place Suder in more comfortable quarters. He would be easier to manage and take less mangement if he had access to a proper bed, a bathroom and a replicator. The more ample space of living quarters gave him room to exercise and work on projects, and a window would help deal with the sense of claustrophobia you'd get staring at four walls in the brig.
     
    jackoverfull likes this.
  2. Oddish

    Oddish Fleet Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2020
    Agreed about Suder. As long as his quarters could be rendered 100% secure, there was no reason not to keep him there. The brig is more for (a) punishment, or (b) having a prisoner with a force field in front of them, to facilitate interrogation.
     
    jackoverfull and Mister Spock like this.
  3. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2017
    Suder's replicator was shut off or removed (I forget which) for obvious reasons. He got food delivered to him, though.

    A lot of the crew quarters didn't have windows, so Suder didn't get that either.
     
  4. Oddish

    Oddish Fleet Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2020
    Acceptable price for Janeway to pay to return Voyager home: Travel back in time, erasing an entire timeline and multiple lives from existence. Allow the preservation of a Borg transwarp hub that could allow billions of people to be assimilated. Violate the Prime Directive by introducing future tech to the present.

    Unacceptable: Have Q's kid.
     
  5. Crusher Disciple

    Crusher Disciple Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2001
    Location:
    Crusher Disciple
    How many Vulcans were on that ship, anyway? I'm watching the series all the way through for the first time and I keep hearing different lines about the Vulcans onboard (at least after the deaths from being flung across the galaxy by the Caretaker).

    In Counterpoint there's two, Tuvok and (s**t- I forgot his name- the one on Blood Fever). On other episodes, including Blood Fever, the EMH mentions the fact that there are other Vulcans on board.
     
    jackoverfull and Orphalesion like this.
  6. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2017
    Another example of VOYAGER's many inconsistencies. Of all the series, it gets the most flak for that because it's the one show that should be the most consistent simply for the fact that its premise has it built-in.
     
  7. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    fireproof78
    Vorik is his name. The Blood Fever episode highlighted something that I thought should have been dealt with once they were stranded-if Vulcans are aboard then the whole pon farr thing needs to be dealt with. I'm no math expert but a 70 year journey means that pon farr might be coming up at least 6 times, depending on the age.
     
    jackoverfull likes this.
  8. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2003
    Hmm. In "Counterpoint", the nosy Kashyk brings up their "last" inspection, from a series of apparently insufferably many. Tuvok, Vorik and the two Betazoids were part of the crew manifest there specifically, and Janeway's story was that Suder died like he actually did but the three perished in a "shuttle crash" some "two months" prior.

    Could we infer from this that the four telepaths are the grand total from the original crew manifest? Or some subset of the original manifest? The latter is contradicted by Suder still being part of the list despite being really dead - it really sounds like the original listing. But of course Janeway fakes the deaths of the other three in those records, so the whole business might be a fake from start to finish anyway.

    So, the ship "formerly had four telepaths" because Janeway would have to forge the entire history of the Federation if she wanted Kashyk to think there were no Vulcans or Betazoids or individuals from other common telepathic species aboard. But that could well be a comforting lie rather than the truth: the report could still omit the half a dozen other people Kashyk would want dead, and he'd suspect nothing exactly because the four are listed.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  9. amp

    amp Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2019
    Hmm, those Betazoids sure would have come in handy in a lot of situations that Janeway faced. For example when dealing with the crew of the Equinox. Too bad they were relegated to janitorial duties in the bowels of the ship.
     
  10. dupersuper

    dupersuper Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2020
    Maybe all the family stories started at the point they met: a nice love story. They didn't get into what they were doing a few years before...and if they had - as we learn - they likely would've gotten it wrong as well.

    I lean toward no, because that's silly.
     
  11. Oddish

    Oddish Fleet Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2020
    I sort of wonder why they don't stick a Betazoid counselor on every starship. Between tactical advice and highly effective mental health services, I would think that they would be near essential.

    But then, I also wonder why Starfleet has so many humans in it, given the sheer size of the Federation.
     
  12. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2017
    There's a possibility that most species aren't really into exploring that much. They know space is dangerous, so maybe the other races are content with letting the humans go through all the dangers, and just benefit from the knowledge they gain and share.
     
    fireproof78 likes this.
  13. Crusher Disciple

    Crusher Disciple Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2001
    Location:
    Crusher Disciple
    I finally watched the finale, Engame, Janeway mentioned the "other Vulcans" onboard who could mild meld with Tuvok. I just yelled out "HOW MANY VULCANS WE GOT ON THIS SHIP, ANYWAY???"
     
    jackoverfull and Orphalesion like this.
  14. Oddish

    Oddish Fleet Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2020
    Shades of Dark Helmet... "How many a**holes we got on this ship?"
     
  15. dupersuper

    dupersuper Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2020
    I knew it...I'm surrounded by Vulcans.
     
  16. Oddish

    Oddish Fleet Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2020
    Keep firing, Vulcans!
     
  17. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2014
    But we k ow there were at least 6: in addition to Tuvok, Varik, Suder and the Betazoid from Counterpoint (Ensing Jurot according to memory Alpha) there were also Stadi (the Betazoid helmsman) and the Vulcan nurse who both perished in the Pilot as well as a unspecified number of "other Vulcans"
    Surely there'd be a record of Stadi and the nurse and Kashyk would look into it.
     
    Timo likes this.
  18. Crusher Disciple

    Crusher Disciple Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2001
    Location:
    Crusher Disciple
    Honestly, VOY makes me glad I don't have OCD. If I did, that show would trigger it.
     
    dupersuper likes this.
  19. dupersuper

    dupersuper Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2020
    The number of shuttles alone...
     
    Crusher Disciple likes this.
  20. Oddish

    Oddish Fleet Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2020
    Could have easily been resolved: Voyager trades for an industrial replicator that can produce photon torpedoes, shuttlecraft parts, and other stuff they need.