OMG haha I just saw that on TV ..... Thank the maker for reruns
Voyager inconsistencies.
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*snicker*
I bloody loathed the miniseries. Season 1 won me over, but while season 2 was okay, everything onward was major suckage.
The 70s' original* went between serious and comedic, even before the weird veneer of the 70s kicked in. The comedy ones haven't really held up as well; my guess is RDM was trying to keep a consistent tone.
Cylons killing everyone is their raison d'être. It bugged me more that more and more often, yet another human cylon was in the ranks. Galactica 1980 may have created the "human cylon" (then to quickly make a mockery out of it), but BSG04 went too far in the opposite direction. Of course, it's cheaper than to render a ton of CGI because they preferred a ton of ridiculously thin robots instead of practical models one could easily believe...
That, and the 70's take on the Cylon's backstory (as well as the dozen tribes, seeking Earth, and so on) is better than "humans created their own monster".
* well, it's technically a retelling of some Bible Old Testament chapters with bits changed and added... but even Shakespeare knew few plot tropes are truly new, just reused in a way that feels new.
Pretty much.
In the original timeline, the Krenim (before the first wave hit) outright attacked Voyager just because they were talking with the Zaal.
When the wave front hit, we've seen Voyager was hit on several occasions by the now changed Krenim warship and that Janeway's response to her hails was 'but the only answer I get is weapons fire'.
And by the time they developed the temporal shields, countless attacks and multiple crewmen dead, she just had about enough and decided to go through their space.
I suspect she would have steered clear initially had they bothered to warn Voyager off as opposed to trying to destroy them.
But this raises the question: Kes warned Voyager about the Krenim long before the ship encountered them.
Based on that (and the fact she had Krenim torpedo temporal torpedo variance which would allow them to make their own temporal shields to stop the torpedoes in question), you'd think Voyager would have steered clear of the Krenim and still had temporal shields just in case.
Someone suggested that when Kes left the ship, the timeline changed, and therefore the report on the Krenim was erased... but this doesn't make much sense because Kes merely experienced POSSIBLE future (one with her on board)... and we've seen numerous things surviving temporal changes... so why would this report be any different?
But it is more complex than that. After all, Kes' jumping back in time is caused by something in that future (the biotemporal chamber), so you could argue that in this setup the future influences the past as much as the past influences the future. Kes leaving ship is not part of this stable loop, and eliminates it. After all, if she leavs ship she won't die on board 8 years later, which means she won't jump back in time, which means she can't provide janeway with that report on Krenim torpedoes.
Or some such thing.
Star Trek is not known for looking too hard at potential time paradoxes.
If Kes goes into the biotemporal chamber, she reverse ages and changes the past.
If Kes changes the past, she leaves the ship. Linnis and Andrew are never born, the Doctor never gets a name, and the biotemporal chamber is never built.
Kes never travels, and the changes never occur. The Year of Hell is remembered. Janeway and B'Elanna die, Linnis and Andrew are born. The biotemporal chamber is developed and Kes enters it...
Yeah. Trek tends to avoid dealing with that.
In Disease it was explicitly against the law of the alien civilization.
Yeah, it would have been nice if they had more focused conversations about when it’s okay to violate the PD and when it’s not. I might argue that having inconsistent responses to different threats is not unrealistic. But they would at least remember what they did last week and consider precedent and justify why this case is an exception.
Yeah, it would have been nice if they had more focused conversations about when it’s okay to violate the PD and when it’s not. I might argue that having inconsistent responses to different threats is not unrealistic. But they would at least remember what they did last week and consider precedent and justify why this case is an exception.
The Plan actually canonically confirms that interpretation. A TV movie that showed the cylon perspective for the first two seasons of story and was basically a repeating pattern of the cylons on Galactica choosing not to follow Cavell’s orders because of a human they fell in love with.
Galactica’s bleakness makes it hard to rewatch but the first two and a half seasons were one of the best first watches ever. They did get you really invested in the characters and made better commentary on human nature than Star Trek ever has. Just the writers didn’t have a plan either, and when you get past the New Caprica arc it freaking shows.
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"And I don't like YOU, Culluh!"
plus all the god stuff really ticked me off
