Terry basically said that isn't meant to make sense, it's just an easter egg/reference.
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I know what he said but it also undermines the entire premise of said reference at the same time you're making it. It's a writer's choice and it's their choice to make, but at the same time I also can say if I don't agree with it.
And this matters...why? The Mirror Universe and Kelvin timeline have nothing to do with this story.
This is an alternate timeline so it has no bearing on the events you describe. The Prime timeline continues to exist only we do not observe it. There is no reason to panic.
If that were so Guinan would remember Picard from 1893.
It really doesn’t. Just breathe.
And I’m not really seeing a new form of time travel, I’m seeing the logical fallout of a time travel event. If there is no UFP in 2369, there can’t be the same time travel event that leads Picard to Guinan in 1893.
You pull a single thread, the entire weave can come undone.
No, a reasonable explanation has been posted all over the forum.
People don't tend to remember things that happen only in other timelines.
Not an alternate timeline according to Picard in the second episode. Their timeline has been undone.
A gazillion against 1 that the new time travel method was a good writing choice and me disagreeing and a mod has joined in too. Ok, time to flee. Later... Will see you all when we find an episode to agree on. (turns on the transwarp, hopes Scotty has not sabotaged it)
True, it’s not a separate timeline, it’s a new/revised version of the Prime Universe, changed by Q on April 15th, 2024, and rippling throughout the timeline as a result, with time travel from any point past the 4/15/2024 changepoint, to prior to the changepoint, no longer having occurred.
And as you know, because Picard and co. traveled from the altered future, even going back prior to the changepoint, they are in a past impacted by Q’s alteration.
There’s just no contradiction or issue here, as long as we all don’t overthink jokes/Easter eggs that aren’t actual plot points.
Star Trek has never before asked us to consider time travel beyond the actual issue that needs fixed. Just telling basic fish out-of-water stories. I like that the writers have challenged the audience to view a larger canvas. They might have needed to do more connect-the-dots work for some folks, but I'm pretty satisfied with the time travel angle thus far.
Well said! I think that it’s a direct result of Terry Matalas, who’s show 12 Monkeys was basically all about characters who’s lives and relationships were all tangled into a time travel knot.
Matalas did a superb job balancing the emotional beats and dramatic through line with complex temporal mechanics, cross-temporal logic and confusing/tangled timelines, all while reconciling logical paradoxes.
some of this contradiction have explaination that are simple for example Class of '78 We are not sure what era system is being used here perhaps the Academy counts from 2161,2053 or 1969 its a bit strange but meh
That correct temporal theogy is a strange duck. Cause can at times follow effect as in this example the time change happens it prevents Picard from going back to 19 century SF even though that happen before the time change. As for the punk on the bus just assume someone else chocked him out or perhaps some type of Kirk and Spock went back temporal theory is complex
Yeah, I feel of all the charges against the writers, a lack of thought isn't one that could be fairly applied.
Out of the CBS live action stuff so far, this is the only time that my interest in what is going on has grown as a season progresses.
Yes, my opinion of the punk is that if he continued this behaviour for 30 years than it is a given that he would have been confronted by someone before Seven. Maybe the previous encountered ended with a karate chop to the neck.
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I just work under the idea he had an uncomfortable case of deja vu when confronted by Seven.
So how are they supposed to fix things? If this is already the Confederation's past, how can anything done here lead to the Federation's future? Isn't it already too late?
Logically speaking, how can two different pasts lead to the same future?
I think it's a matter of who ends up leading humanity.
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