The Wheel of Time on Amazon Prime

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  1. JD

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    I had assumed that was just to give Egwene more of a reason to be with the guys, and to add even more mystery to who it is.
    Watched episode 2 today, and they passed me up now.
    I still enjoyed it, but I was a little surprised they skipped over the Draghkar and Moiraine creating the mist, I figured such a visual and exciting moment would make it into the show. I guess they must have just decided to have the Trollocs right on their heels instead.
    I was just looking on the Wheel of Time Wiki, and I saw that they have Moiraine under "more characters" instead of "main characters", so does that mean she doesn't play a big role in the rest of the series beyond Eye of the World?
     
  2. Thestral

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    Moiraine is one of my favorite characters in the series but her role does become quite different after Eye of the World. After
    Book 5 (The Fires of Heaven)
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  3. JD

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    What exactly is the relationship between the show's/books' world and modern Earth?
    In the book they've made one reference so far to a more advanced society in the past, and if I remember right described what sounded like they might have been airplanes, and in the show they showed ruins of fairly modern looking buildings. Some of the clothes and horse tack also looked pretty modern, but you see that kind of thing in quite a few fantasy/historical shows that don't have the budget to make everything period specific.
     
  4. Thestral

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    In the books at least, it's set several thousand years in our future... but also in our distant past, because Time is a wheel.

    The time of the previous Dragon, Lews Therin Telamon, was the Second Age, the "Age of Legends" which ended with the Breaking of the World. Our time is - probably - the First Age. There's a scene where artifacts from the First Age appear, and one of them is an exact match for a Mercedes-Benz logo, and there's also a giraffe skeleton. There's references to legends from the First Age too, about "Merk and Mosk," two giants that battled with 'lances of fire' and Lenn, who "flew to the moon in the belly of an eagle made of fire", and Salya his daughter who "walked among the stars". America and Moscow with nuclear weapons, John Glenn, and Sally Ride.
     
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    It's the same world, far in the future. The time in which the books take place is referred to as the Third Age. The time we live in now is what the characters in the books know as the First Age. In between was the Second Age, the Age of Legends, the length of which we're not sure of but it was a time of even greater prosperity and advancement than our time as that was when humanity discovered the One Power.

    Those ruined buildings we saw were probably from the Age of Legends.

    ETA: Well darn, ninja'd. :lol:
     
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  6. JD

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    OK, thanks.
    Are there a lot of these kinds of fantasy series that actually take place in the future? I know the Shannara books do too.
     
  7. DigificWriter

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    This bothers me because it feels like a n uninspired ripoff of the vastly superior Shannara novels.
     
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    It's probably important to note that there are seven spokes on the Wheel of Time--seven ages of the world--and the Wheel keeps turning and, as Robert Jordan wrote, ages come and pass, and even myths from one age can be long forgotten by the time that age comes around again. So depending on how you look at it, the age that the characters know as the First Age could have been a different age from ours, but similar events still happen in particular ages. The Third Age is even described as both an age long past and an age yet to come because of the cyclical nature of the Wheel of Time. So the events could technically have happened in our past--and did, but maybe not in the same way they are happening in this turning of the Wheel.
     
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  9. LaxScrutiny

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    Should we call the cops to rescue you from whoever is holding the gun to your head and making you watch?
     
  10. FreezeC77

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    to be fair rebuilding on a destroyed "our world/time" happened well before that going back to at least HG Wells. Hell, can even go further back to creation myths from older civilizations building on similar themes.
     
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    Shannara? You mean that amateurish tipoff of the vastly superior Tolkien novels?
     
  12. DigificWriter

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    The Lord of the Rings novels aren't vastly superior to anything, let alone the Shannara Saga, and the only novel in the latter that actually has any resemblance whatsoever to the LotR novels is Sword of Shannara... which is 1 out of 32 stories.
     
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    Nope, it was a total ripoff. Shannara isn't vastly superior to anything.
     
  14. DigificWriter

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    I don't like the WoT novels, but the TV series has been excellent so far.
     
  15. Thestral

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    High King Artur Paendrag or King Arthur Pendragon?

    Lady of the Lakes Nynaeve who learned channeling from Moiraine or Lady of the Lakes Nyneve who learned magic from Merlin?

    Perrin who was torn between the hammer and axe, or Perun who wielded both the hammer and the axe?

    Yeah, exactly. Fallen/destroyed civilizations go back to Greek times with the Golden Age of yesteryear. And Atlantis. And the Roman Empire during the Middle Ages. SciFi universe Battletech does the same thing with its Star League. Stargate: Atlantis does it with, well... Atlantis and the Ancients. Star Wars does it with The Old Republic.

    The time scale is different and vastly more world-changing in WoT but the general concept is very common.
     
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    Limited-spoiler review of episode 2, again from the book reader's perspective. I hope to be able to keep these up and do a full recap at the season finale, where I might dive into the overall adaptation's choices of what to keep, what to skip and what to add to fill the holes, and how that affected the end product.

    Current coverage: Book 1, chapter 1-20. Rating: 3.5 plump women out of 5.

    We start off with our first look at the Whitecloaks, introducing the character of Eamon Valda in a chilling scene that immediately tells us these folks are bad news with very graphic visuals. It's a very effective introduction to a new danger to our heroes. This is a scene unique to the show, but sets up our main characters' encounter with the Whitecloaks later in the episode. That latter sequence replaces the first encounter with the Whitecloaks in the books, which takes place in the town of Baerlon, our heroes' first sample of what civilization outside the Two River is like.

    Removing Baerlon from the story is something I kind of expected, but it's nice to see the Whitecloak section of it retained, as it will be important later. (From the trailer, we already know Perrin and Egwene will encounter the Whitecloaks again so it's smart to establish them early on and give weight to the later encounter.) In a deviation from the books, the company commander Geofram Bornhald advises Moiraine to seek out an Aes Sedai for healing. With this, we probably are to infer that, pardon the pun, there are shades of grey to the Whitecloaks and not all of them are like Valda, even if we can also assume Bornhald permitted Valda his eh, barbeque in the opening scene. I enjoyed this more diverse and serious look at the Whitecloaks, and will also add their uniforms are visually quite stunning and impactful. (If perhaps, not very practical. Poor sods doing laundry duty must hate these muddy roads...)

    Between these 2 sequences we have the company's flight across the river Taren, where we get our first glimpse at Moiraine's ruthless side and another seed for the mistrust shown in her by the boys later. This is one of the iconic scenes from the first book and I am very happy to see it both retained and given import. What follows is a long trek through the forest, in which we get our first full group interactions. Here I felt the episode suffered a bit, as everyone is unhappy and the conversation drops to unpleasant exchanges, especially between Egwene and Rand. It risks the characters becoming unlikeable. Props for including the dream sequence with [redacted] and the tale of Manetheren though. So far I like the series' choices in 'let's show X now because it'll be important later' moments.

    The back half of the episode, somewhat expectedly for me, features the stay in Shadar Logoth. This is our first look at city building in the series and I felt it was another good set design, especially when contrasted with the CG shot of Rand and Egwene looking out over the city. It gives me hope for the truely great cities we will visit later (oddly enough, I am most attached to the secondary locations like Cairhien and Ebou Dar). We do not get the same wide-eyed wonder of the villagers when they first encounter a true city though, and that surprised me a little. The whole Shadar Logoth sequence felt a bit rushed to me in general, playing connect the dots with the essentials: explaining why the city is the way it is, Mat finding the dagger and the attack by (unnamed) Mashadar splitting up the party. Unexpected, given the work that must have gone into the set. I did enjoy the small scene where Mat gifts Perrin his original dagger, another nice example of the obvious friendship between the two of them and Rand. I feel a few scenes like these are a continuous requirement for the series, to prevent the chaotic world events from overwhelming the personal stories of the characters, especially given the pace the story will have to set.

    So far the series seems to be keeping pace with my expectations of 'how would you divide book 1 over 8 episodes'. I wonder how long I'll be able to keep saying that...
     
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    Great review, and I love your approach (I read the books each time one was released.)

    Just to add, the singing really hit me (in a positive way) and made watching it acted out so worth while. An amazing scene with Moraine's response, glad it was included. I feel they're really telling the story I loved.

    Looking forward to your future posts, and to meeting Thom for the first time. (Not really a spoiler. If you read the books you already know him. If you haven't, you're in for a treat.)
     
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  18. Greg Cox

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    Heck, the Old Testament has most of human history taking place after The Flood wiped out a prior civilization, although, sadly, the Bible is woefully short on stories about Moses or David or whomever stumbling onto the ruins of a lost, prediluvian city. :)
     
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  19. LaxScrutiny

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    Thank God (literally) you put that in spoiler code. I have a lot of friends who have yet to read that book.
     
  20. Greg Cox

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    I confess: That was an accident on my part. Guess I accidentally copied the spoiler codes when replying.
     
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