Well it's kind of a television/film staple.
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Well...... it wouldn't be Star Trek if something didn't fit.Having gotten home from work and had a proper look, did you not see the red writing and SCALE CHEAT REQUIRED TO FIT? On the cutaways, the top one is how it "should" fit and the bottom one shows it at actual size, which is way too big.
The SNW Enterprise may be 725m like the Kelvin one!
Same kind of situation with the Enteprise-D and Enterprise-E. The Enterprise-E is a longer ship, but the Enterprise-D is a much, much larger ship.
I tried to infer the size of the saucer using the map of the corridor set on page 69 (especially since the scale bar is legible on that page) If the corridor set was the outer most ring of corridors then the saucer would be even smaller than the TOS-Connie's (measuring the corridors as about 20ft wide, rooms like sickbay and quarters as 40ft deep, and the core rooms like the medical ward extension as 50ft in radius, all comes to a saucer radius of about 170ft) adding one more ring of corridors and rooms outside the set brings us up to about the size of the original Connie saucer (230ft radius, or 140m in diameter just a few meters over the refit Connie), to get up to the diameter of a "don't make disco look fat" connie you'd need three rings worth of rooms and corridors outside the corridor set.
Since the change in curvature should get more noticeable the further out you go I'm gonna chaulk this one up as a win for 300meter Connie as there's less fudging and handwaving when assuming the original ship size.
Since the change in curvature should get more noticeable the further out you go I'm gonna chaulk this one up as a win for 300meter Connie as there's less fudging and handwaving when assuming the original ship size.
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Dude, the thing is 442m long.
The vfx team says it's 442m long.
The goddamned dedication plaque says it's 442m long.
Trying to match the size of the ship by the diameter of a set that is, first and foremost designed to fit into a soundstage, is an exercise in futility.
I feel this debate has somehow lasted longer then the Kelvin Enterprise size debate, even though the "Discoprise" has consistently been shown as 442m long, right from the first time we saw her.
Can we please stick a fork in this one?
exactly, since if you measure the sets on any of the shows you'll get different sizes.
The only reason I would ever accept the change was if they went the mile to make thier sets fit inside thier ship necessitating making it bigger, if I gotta keep handwaving anyway for no better reason than to cover for disco's scale creep trainwreck then I'm gonna keep handwaving for the original figures.
If you measure the TOS sets you'd get a 400 meter ship. It works both ways.
That is correct, but at least TOS's figures were wrong first and is what the rest of the franchise worked off of. There is no compelling reason to replace "wrong" with "still wrong".
alright, I'll play this game. Where was it ever stated, in the ever so precious canon, how big the Enterprise is? The only thing is a scale in the corner of a diagram that was absolutely invisible on the televisions of the time.
Where as, I can pull a screen grab from a SNW episode that clearly reads 442m long.
Since the number was never established why not clearly established it? It's not wrong if it wasn't known.
None of the sets in any of the trek shows match the exterior dimensions. It's a futile effort to measure them.
Recent trailer really shows just how light the SNW Enterprise hull color really is, looks gorgeous in direct cooler temp lighting.
Whats with the tone? There's plenty in star trek canon that is accepted as not happening as explicitly depicted(k'tinga's in the 2150's for example), Pike could put 442 meters to a song that saves the galaxy, and I'd still have precedent to throw it out. Why are you so insistent that I have to accept the new figure to enjoy the series?
I'm not being unreasonable I have replaced old with new plenty of times when there was a compelling reason to (for example putting uhura on pike's enterprise cause her character was criminally underserved in TOS, or moving the date of the eugenics wars so that startrek is always in our future and we can still have cheap time travel bottle episodes to the modern day), but there is no compelling reason to accept a size change no matter what the VFX guys say cause its still just as broken with the interior sets as the old size so all things being equal I'd take the old number simply cause there's more history to it, a lot of ships use connie parts, a lot of those ships fly side by side with ships of other liniages in TNG, DS9, LD, and even PIC(fleet museum) and when they decided to give a damn about scale they worked off the old figure. I'm not gonna change my mind without a compelling reason and I'm not gonna take the rude way out and call this a seperate timeline/alt reality, so that must mean enterprise is still 288 meters long same as its always been.
Its established in TOS (even if it wasn't readable at the time mordern TV's and remasters came before attempts to erroneously state another length so at the very least you can't say it was never established) and the figure was even displayed in an episode of Discovery (Brother) before they started futilely trying to engrave 442 everywhere for reasons I have no will to entertain.
They did in ENT, and TNG, its of course not a deal breaker but like you said it cuts both ways, if SNW sets break even an enlarged enterprise then whats the point in giving it a different length in the first place?
Being illegible on screen does not strike me as established. But, to me, it's a setting, not a deal breaker so if that size works for some go for it.
If you shove the "real" sized set backwards to fit, the practical set portion w/ what I assume is the intermix chamber would land pretty much directly below the attachment point for the nacelle pylons, which...actually sort of makes sense? You could make it work, just not quite the way production wanted.
I'm saying while it wasn't legible then its certainly legible now with the remaster, and a proper screen. So it is established.
Still To each thier own one is just as free to still throw it out, as I am also free to throw out SNW's misprinted plague.
Sorry I may be a smidge testy after someone decided to jump down my throat over questioning a three digit number tied to fictional 1960's starship...
I do not like the curved neck at all. Or clashes with the Design language of the rest of the ship. The previous, angular design works much better.Probably our best look at the updated neck, slightly brightened. Plus an awesome shot of The Enterprise firing torpedoes. I love this ship!
Also ironic that SNW now copies TOS on having two different, contradicting versions of the same ship in the opening credits.
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