Thats it. I dont consider Disc , SNW , or Picard cannon
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James Dixon. He thought that I of all people was Pro-ENT. Because I gave out warnings to people who were Anti-ENT as often as I did to those who were Pro-ENT (I wasn't an ENT Mod, but the nonsense spilled over into places where I did moderate), and if a fan of the show had a point, I would tell them they had a point. Supposedly that somehow made me a fan of the show... even though I stopped watching after six episodes!
Him and a few others like him (anyone remember Slarus?) had such warped perspectives that they didn't want reality to get in the way of their rants. Eventually, I proved him wrong when I received an invitation from someone to post on another board he was part of and, away from here, I told them what I really thought of ENT.
I avoided talking about ENT as much as possible here, after October 2001, not only because I didn't watch it, but because I didn't want to stoke the flames. Figuratively and literally.
Him and a few others like him (anyone remember Slarus?) had such warped perspectives that they didn't want reality to get in the way of their rants. Eventually, I proved him wrong when I received an invitation from someone to post on another board he was part of and, away from here, I told them what I really thought of ENT.
I avoided talking about ENT as much as possible here, after October 2001, not only because I didn't watch it, but because I didn't want to stoke the flames. Figuratively and literally.
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I kind of feel like Enterprise was victim of the "screaming fandom" mindset that Star Wars had at the time and..still has both in Trek and Wars.
It's taken 20 years, but in 2020 when all the shut downs happened and shit my wife and I went back and did a front to back watch of *all* Trek concurrent with Picard Season 1..and I actually found myself enjoying Enterprise as time went on.
Flawed..of course..but man did I feel bad about flaming it in my younger days
It's taken 20 years, but in 2020 when all the shut downs happened and shit my wife and I went back and did a front to back watch of *all* Trek concurrent with Picard Season 1..and I actually found myself enjoying Enterprise as time went on.
Flawed..of course..but man did I feel bad about flaming it in my younger days
Folks, I have some bad news. I just thoroughly double checked DSC, SNW, and PICARD, and sadly, NONE of them proved to be artillery able to hurl explosive shells over considerable distances. Likewise, none of them were Quinn Martin television productions starring William Conrad as a private detective.
Therefore, I am sad to report, the OP is right. None of these shows are Cannon.
Therefore, I am sad to report, the OP is right. None of these shows are Cannon.
That was D.C. Fontana. Jeri Taylor was still years away from being involved with Star Trek when they were conceiving TNG.
Hey, some of us are still around. We're not all dead yet.
Seriously, though. This is an old, old story -- and not just for Trek. Trust me, there are old-school PLANET OF THE APES fans who insist that it isn't "real'' POTA unless the actors are wearing the original John Chambers makeups ("No CGI chimps!"), GODZILLA fans who insist that only "real" GODZILLA movies feature a guy in a rubber suit, that Lynda Carter is the only "true" Wonder Woman, etc. I've heard it all before.
None of this stuff is set in stone, but every generation insists that the version they grew up on is the one, true version -- and how dare they update it to appeal to today's audiences?
I still remember the irate Trekkie who lamented of the latest Trek shows. "They're making these shows for millennials!"
Well, of course. Who do we think the prime demographic is these days? Who is the future of the fandom?
If they want to update it to modern standards. Fine. Use 4k wide-screen and new camera angles and director techniques (although keep it at a low), but if you're making trek, I want high to use the same color pallete as tng/ds9 etc make it episodic, use the same form of speech for the characters just like tng, make a story about ethics, morality, human enlightenment of the 24th century, etc..not 10 stories that are about ONE villain, especially since if the villain and story is bad, youre basically GUARANTEED 10 CHIT EPISODES
I know how to spell Canon. But I'm typing on my phone as fast as possible and sometimes spell check kicks in as well. This time it capitalized the word Canon, and again just now also.
Of course such 'preachers' do have (some) valid, or at least, reasonable, points. It's not that hard to pick out (accidental or purposeful) inconsistencies in the stories after all, violating 'continuity' or 'canon'. Most of us do that ourselves on this board- often just for fun, though. I myself sometimes miss the idealistic spirit of the older series in the newer series (have only seen parts of them), but times and entertainment styles change. And yes, I sometimes I have the feel they're 'milking' it - well, yes, of course they're milking it! What else do you think the entire franchise is for? For them, it's a way to make money (by keeping us entertained).
Where it goes wrong (in my view) is the entire narrative they spin around it - as if Trek is some sacred lore that needs to be protected in the name of all that is good and holy, and the day of its doom are nigh if we don't stand up and act now, seemingly forgetting that it's only entertainment and the owners can do everything they think will earn them money with it, and we simply have the choice of to either keep watching it, or to only rewatch the old stuff, or abandoning it.
Why not the colour palate of TOS? WHY DIDN'T TNG USE THE TOS COLOURS??? What fake "Star Trek"
Gene really fucked up with his pitch for a three breasted Deanna Troi by not stressing that in his gender equal future Riker had three dicks
Ever since Parallels, any inconsistency can be handwaved by pushing the alternate reality button.
This was a pretty popular theory with Enterprise - the events of First Contact caused a splinter timeline (see that James Dixon screed) - and I don't really have a problem with that. The Kelvinverse movies obviously embraced this idea.
It's all Star Trek to me. There is a wonderful multiverse and the Enterprise, Captain Kirk, Mr Spock etc don't always look the same.
If your head canon splits these up into parallel timelines, go for it. Whatever makes it more palatable for you or helps you organise it in your mind is up to you.
But Paramount officially recognises the Prime timeline with everything - from TOS and TAS to DSC and PIC. It's all the same universe as far as "canon" is concerned.
This was a pretty popular theory with Enterprise - the events of First Contact caused a splinter timeline (see that James Dixon screed) - and I don't really have a problem with that. The Kelvinverse movies obviously embraced this idea.
It's all Star Trek to me. There is a wonderful multiverse and the Enterprise, Captain Kirk, Mr Spock etc don't always look the same.
If your head canon splits these up into parallel timelines, go for it. Whatever makes it more palatable for you or helps you organise it in your mind is up to you.
But Paramount officially recognises the Prime timeline with everything - from TOS and TAS to DSC and PIC. It's all the same universe as far as "canon" is concerned.
Good God, no.
Make some of them episodic. Make some of them serialized. Make some of them semi-serialized/semi-episodic. Give us a wide variety of storytelling styles instead of just trying to re-create TNG for all eternity.
Jesus Christ, don't do that. TNG's over-use of prescriptivist English is one of the worst things about it. Incredibly dishonest depiction of human behavior and actively classist to boot.
They do that all the time in DIS and PIC, and people ignore it.
No its not "classist", it's respectful, professional, rational, thoughtful, empathetic, caring, intelligent, logical, meaningful, wonderful, can be deeply emotional, truthful, truthful to its objective(s), and much much more. They speak to each other with respect, kindness, and are genuine. They don't say "this is the power of math", or "I like science". Like wow I want to punch the wannabe douchebag frat boy who wrote that, and I can tell he was a wannabe DB frat boy simply from that single line. It's not just the line itself. It's how it's said, who says it, and the context and situation, that just sounds so DISGUSTING.
We ignore it because everything in disc or even pic, relating to the positive traits I mentioned, are completely fake and pretentious. I hate pretense, and recognize it. These shows are all pretentious, SNW is just pretending to be what trek should be, and it's not. Disc is also all about characters being pretentious to each other. I don't believe a word anyone says in discovery, not one bit, because the pretense is so fkn strong
Switch to decaf.
You want to punch the person who wrote that line?
This is (again) what I've been trying to tell you. This is WAY over the top.
Not fond of the "douche bag frat boy" line either. I think that episode was co-written by a woman. And "frat boys" are people too.
Please dial it back.
Sincerely, 1001001
Sigma Chi, Class of '89.
When TNG came out, I was 14; when DS9 started I was 19. And I took it with hook, line and sinker. The moralist speeches of Picard; the desperate struggle for the cause of good Sisko had to go through and the passion(ate overacting) he showed. Everything.
Starting at around the same time, I heard stories about Babylon 5, how similar it was (in quality) to DS9, but I never came around to watching it. That only happened when I was around 40. And while I was entertained by it and liked the concepts and dilemmas it put forth, I found myself constantly thinking: yeah, well, real life doesn't exactly work that way (I mean of course apart from the science fiction/fantasy elements) , people simply don't act this larger than life, this isn't really believable, it's a nice piece of drama, but that's all it is - so I found it a good deal harder to get immersed in it than I had expected to.
But I had forgotten to take into account I wasn't 19 anymore, but that I had gained a bit more life experience since then. Which means that had I only been in the opportunity to watch DS9 at around age 40, I might have had the same reaction to it as I had to Babylon 5 (and vice versa, had I seen Babylon 5 at the age of 20, I might have swallowed it just like I did DS9).
Same for shows like Discovery and such. I don't really get 'into' them the same way I did with DS9- simply because I'm less of a blank slate now. But I might have, if I were 20 today.
Starting at around the same time, I heard stories about Babylon 5, how similar it was (in quality) to DS9, but I never came around to watching it. That only happened when I was around 40. And while I was entertained by it and liked the concepts and dilemmas it put forth, I found myself constantly thinking: yeah, well, real life doesn't exactly work that way (I mean of course apart from the science fiction/fantasy elements) , people simply don't act this larger than life, this isn't really believable, it's a nice piece of drama, but that's all it is - so I found it a good deal harder to get immersed in it than I had expected to.
But I had forgotten to take into account I wasn't 19 anymore, but that I had gained a bit more life experience since then. Which means that had I only been in the opportunity to watch DS9 at around age 40, I might have had the same reaction to it as I had to Babylon 5 (and vice versa, had I seen Babylon 5 at the age of 20, I might have swallowed it just like I did DS9).
Same for shows like Discovery and such. I don't really get 'into' them the same way I did with DS9- simply because I'm less of a blank slate now. But I might have, if I were 20 today.
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