Stupid Stuff in TNG

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  1. STR

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    Eh...makes sense for a guy whose job will involve diplomacy. But yeah, these people remember their academy research papers a lot better than I recall mine.

    "Autocrat" comes from the Greek title "autokrator" which translates to "self ruler". Autokrator was held higher than anax or regas, both meaning "king". Who do you rule? Yourself? Okay, you win. I just rule other people.

    Formal government titles, especially translated ones stripped of context, are weird.
     
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  2. Discofan

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    The Game: Given the numerous ways of brainwashing someone and how efficient they are. One would think they'd be a mandatory check up after someone (especially someone who's second in the chain of command!!) has taken a trip alone somewhere. Wesley and his "girlfriend" easily found out about the mind-controlling effects of the game. I suppose it would have been a lot easier for Beverly to come to the same conclusions. I am surprised that they (the enterprise crew) managed to stay alive for so long given the crappiness of their security procedures, or lack thereof.
     
  3. gakelly

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    In Peak Performance, Starfleet wants to improve the tactical skill of the crew. Why would they set up the simulation so it was the flagship of the fleet against a derelict vessel that needs to be fixed up? What tactical skills would the crew of the Enterprise gain from pummeling a pathetic old ship?
    And suddenly Worf can trick Ferengi sensors into believing there are more Starfleet vessels? Why not use this trick more often?
     
  4. MAGolding

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    I can name several persons who helped negotiate the treaties that made up the Final Act of the Congress of Vienna in 1815, including the French foreign minister Tallyrand and the Austrian foreign minister Metternich.

    As I remember, the "Jay Treaty" in 1795 between the USA and Great Britain was negotiated by John Jay on the American Side.

    I remember that the Adams-Onis Treaty in 1719 established a border between The USA and Spain. It was negotiated by John Quincy Adams, then US Secretary of Sate.


     
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  5. gakelly

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    In Timescape, the tricorders that Geordi, Data, and Troi take with them work, but the other equipment in the frozen time zone do not work. Yet, the only reason Geordi, Data, Troi, and Picard are not frozen in time is because of the arm bands they wear. The Romulan disruptors are not working on the ships, yet the heroes draw their phasers as if they are going to use them.
    Why is their equipment they take with them able to work?
     
  6. Discofan

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    Because of a universal law of physics, that's common to all these episodes: the law of plot convenience.:rommie:
     
  7. Kirks_Flying_Wig

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    Data's ridiculous verbosity ("pursuing an untamed ornithoid without cause"). Most of "Lonely Among Us" but mainly Riker telling the ambassador that humans don't "enslave animals for food" and the ambassador declaring replicators to be "barbaric", probably just to make him seem weird and alien. The same episode basically ends with a major interstellar diplomatic assassination that gets played as a punchline (womp womp). Picard doesn't want to deal with this though because he fancies a mid-afternoon nap.
     
  8. Discofan

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    Picard who's supposed to be French yet his French is terrible, a lot worse than Data's for example. But I guess they must think it's good enough for a non-French audience.
     
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  9. gakelly

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    They know Geordi is going to change into the lizard thing and try to leave the ship, so they let him go to the holodeck and work alone. Especially with the Enterprises history of allowing people to either beam off the ship or take shuttle crafts without permission.
    Why wouldn't they have a crew of people working on the project?
     
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  10. Discofan

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    Yes, for example, they could have told the computer to deny Geordi access to some systems like the transporter for example. I am sure Geordi himself could have done so with a little foresight... which is expected from someone like him.
     
  11. Timo

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    ...Of course, any block LaForge is able to install, he will also be able to uninstall. Good luck trying to outsmart him there!

    The exercise was rather explicitly about teaching Riker and his team how to fight, not Picard and his. And there would be very few ways to simulate the massive discrepancy in capacity between Starfleet and the Borg; putting Riker in an old tub is just about the best they could do there. After all, "tactical skill" in Starfleet is always about McGyvering, of doing something nobody ever thought out before, with hardware not designed for it...

    ...Perhaps there were?

    Because of the armbands?

    That's what they are supposed to do - keep things like hearts and tricorders working. Why would they only succeed on the former and not the latter?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  12. Discofan

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    When the crew realizes that they are in a time loop and Riker says:
    "We shouldn't change course until we have a reason to do so!"

    Well, you have a reason to change course stupid and that is that you've just learned that you're in a time loop!!!:rolleyes:
     
  13. Crazyewok

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    They could of just used the holodeck.. ...
     
  14. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    A pressing, dangerous reason. A "needs of the many" reason.
     
  15. Mojochi

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    Then it's just petty bolstering, false bravado... you know, his usual calling card. If that minute technicality is really all he's got to smack her down with, he's already lost the power struggle imho, & just looks like an impotent douche canoe. Ever heard of take the high road, Billy? lol
    What she deserved was to never be back in uniform at all, let alone get told how best to apply the standards of it lol. Besides, the point isn't about Ro, necessarily. We all know Ro is about as wrong as any Starfleet officer has ever been. The point imho is about Riker being a better officer than what we see there, which is completely undermining as a real leader. Did anything he did to push his weight around have any real effect there? It was the smallest he's ever been imho
    & then there's no mention of whether the box was salvaged from the 1701-D wreckage. So he probably died needlessly, after having been the first sentience to originate from a holodeck... or not... & maybe he got to join their universe after they found the EMH's tech :)
    Snow is just frozen water. They eat & drink real food fabricated by the holodeck all the time. If I threw an ice cube from my ice tea at Picard, from the holodeck, it probably would be real enough to strike him


    My contribution is the dumbest part of Disaster. In a room with GEORDI & his all-seeing visor, No one knows an explosion is bubbling up behind a bulkhead, until Beverly randomly puts her hand on the wall
     
  16. Discofan

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    The holodeck stuff can't decide if it's real (e.g. snowballs), a trick of light (e.g. a book that disappears immediately) or neither or both ( e.g Redblock who slowly dissolves into thin air after having left the holodeck). The latter being an apex of stupidity!
     
  17. Verteron

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    I think the obvious answer is that France was obliterated in World War 3, and resettled by Brits who occasionally tried to revive some bits and pieces of left over French culture.I mean, isn't Jean-Luc Picard the French equivalent of being called Johny Yorkshire? Clearly a made up name. :D

    The Next Phase is a ridiculous episode.
    • Why didn't they fall through the floors?
    • What air did they breathe?
    • How did they hear anyone else (shouldn't normally phased air, carrying sound, pass right through their phased eardrums?)
    • Geordi says they were phased for nearly two days. How come they aren't showing some early signs of dehydration? Or at least becoming concerned about the prospect.
    Moreover, why the hell would the Romulans be so brazen in their attempt to destroy the Federation flagship on a rescue mission of mercy? This is a group of scientists on a scout ship, did they check with the Senate for authorisation on this 'op' or are all Romulan commanders given carte blanche to blow up Startfleet ships as long a they're sneaky? Big risk to imagine Starfleet wouldn't work out what they'd done after the Enterprise explodes mere hours after rendering them assistance. I'd be shocked if that didn't lead to war or at least some retaliatory actions.

    Trouble suspending my disbelief for that one. Even on first run I didn't 'get it'.
     
  18. Silvercrest

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    Every time I see Picard move Worf's arm aside ("Excuse me, Mr. Worf"), I wonder what it would do to you if your arm was wrenched aside a million times faster than you're capable of moving.
     
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  19. Verteron

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    Chalk it up on the Worf broken bone tote board.

    Alongside Allasmorphs, Lore, parasites inhabiting Starfleet Admirals, the Borg, alien Napoleon, other Klingons, Satarans posing as Commanders, Holodeck cowboys, the Paxans, Deanna Troi (who has shot him with a phaser at least four times), a falling piece of cargo, John Doe, Cardassians, The Sheriff of Nottingham and Romulans.
     
  20. Discofan

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    Anything moving that fast in our atmosphere would ignite and consume in a matter of seconds. Worf would have ended up with a piece of charcoal in lieu of an arm...