Stupid Stuff in TNG

[gakelly]

Identity Crisis
They know Geordi is going to change into the lizard thing and try to leave the ship, so they let him go to the holodeck and work alone. Especially with the Enterprises history of allowing people to either beam off the ship or take shuttle crafts without permission.
Why wouldn't they have a crew of people working on the project?

 

[Discofan]

Identity Crisis
They know Geordi is going to change into the lizard thing and try to leave the ship, so they let him go to the holodeck and work alone. Especially with the Enterprises history of allowing people to either beam off the ship or take shuttle crafts without permission.
Why wouldn't they have a crew of people working on the project?

Yes, for example, they could have told the computer to deny Geordi access to some systems like the transporter for example. I am sure Geordi himself could have done so with a little foresight... which is expected from someone like him.

 

[Timo]

...Of course, any block LaForge is able to install, he will also be able to uninstall. Good luck trying to outsmart him there!

In Peak Performance, Starfleet wants to improve the tactical skill of the crew. Why would they set up the simulation so it was the flagship of the fleet against a derelict vessel that needs to be fixed up? What tactical skills would the crew of the Enterprise gain from pummeling a pathetic old ship?

The exercise was rather explicitly about teaching Riker and his team how to fight, not Picard and his. And there would be very few ways to simulate the massive discrepancy in capacity between Starfleet and the Borg; putting Riker in an old tub is just about the best they could do there. After all, "tactical skill" in Starfleet is always about McGyvering, of doing something nobody ever thought out before, with hardware not designed for it...

And suddenly Worf can trick Ferengi sensors into believing there are more Starfleet vessels? Why not use this trick more often?

...Perhaps there were?

Picard: "Fantastic work, Mr. Worf, fooling them with that false image when our pants were down! You know, for this once, I won't even ridicule your warrior skills. Well done!"
Worf: "Er, thank, you, Sir." <quietly tells USS Splendid to bugger off as it's all sorted out at this end now>

In Timescape, the tricorders that Geordi, Data, and Troi take with them work, but the other equipment in the frozen time zone do not work. Yet, the only reason Geordi, Data, Troi, and Picard are not frozen in time is because of the arm bands they wear. The Romulan disruptors are not working on the ships, yet the heroes draw their phasers as if they are going to use them. Why is their equipment they take with them able to work?

Because of the armbands?

That's what they are supposed to do - keep things like hearts and tricorders working. Why would they only succeed on the former and not the latter?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Discofan]

When the crew realizes that they are in a time loop and Riker says:
"We shouldn't change course until we have a reason to do so!"

Well, you have a reason to change course stupid and that is that you've just learned that you're in a time loop!!!

 

[Crazyewok]

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The exercise was rather explicitly about teaching Riker and his team how to fight, not Picard and his. And there would be very few ways to simulate the massive discrepancy in capacity between Starfleet and the Borg; putting Riker in an old tub is just about the best they could do there.
Timo Saloniemi

They could of just used the holodeck.. ...

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

When the crew realizes that they are in a time loop and Riker says:
"We shouldn't change course until we have a reason to do so!"

Well, you have a reason to change course stupid and that is that you've just learned that you're in a time loop!!!

A pressing, dangerous reason. A "needs of the many" reason.

 

[Mojochi]

Ro was defiant and obnoxious from the get-go. She needed to know her place. (And, you know, she WAS a convicted felon.) That's why I think Riker made her take off the earring - to take her down a peg.

Then it's just petty bolstering, false bravado... you know, his usual calling card. If that minute technicality is really all he's got to smack her down with, he's already lost the power struggle imho, & just looks like an impotent douche canoe. Ever heard of take the high road, Billy? lol

Whether or not Riker was in fact being a dick, is another matter. The fact remains, he's the senior officer...he GETS to be a dick if he feels the situation warrants it. And in that case, it did.

Riker's treatment of Ro in that scene may be questionable...but she deserved it.

What she deserved was to never be back in uniform at all, let alone get told how best to apply the standards of it lol. Besides, the point isn't about Ro, necessarily. We all know Ro is about as wrong as any Starfleet officer has ever been. The point imho is about Riker being a better officer than what we see there, which is completely undermining as a real leader. Did anything he did to push his weight around have any real effect there? It was the smallest he's ever been imho

The ultimate irony of the Moriaty situation is that the Enterprise crew's solution was to 'trick' Moriaty with a mini holodeck box because there was still no way to have him actually exist outside of the holodeck, but only three years later every new Starfleet ship has a hologram in sickbay who can exist through use of holo-emitters in the room. It seems Zimmerman's breakthrough must have happened just after the Enterprise crew's solution to the Moriaty problem, otherwise they could've just told him about Zimmerman's project and told Moriaty to chill his tits for a couple more years until this new holo-emmiter tech could be rolled out, lol.

& then there's no mention of whether the box was salvaged from the 1701-D wreckage. So he probably died needlessly, after having been the first sentience to originate from a holodeck... or not... & maybe he got to join their universe after they found the EMH's tech

In Angel One, Picard is in the corridor and a snowball hits him from inside the holodeck.

Snow is just frozen water. They eat & drink real food fabricated by the holodeck all the time. If I threw an ice cube from my ice tea at Picard, from the holodeck, it probably would be real enough to strike him


My contribution is the dumbest part of Disaster. In a room with GEORDI & his all-seeing visor, No one knows an explosion is bubbling up behind a bulkhead, until Beverly randomly puts her hand on the wall

 

[Discofan]

The holodeck stuff can't decide if it's real (e.g. snowballs), a trick of light (e.g. a book that disappears immediately) or neither or both ( e.g Redblock who slowly dissolves into thin air after having left the holodeck). The latter being an apex of stupidity!

 

[Verteron]

Picard who's supposed to be French yet his French is terrible, a lot worse than Data's for example. But I guess they must think it's good enough for a non-French audience.

I think the obvious answer is that France was obliterated in World War 3, and resettled by Brits who occasionally tried to revive some bits and pieces of left over French culture.I mean, isn't Jean-Luc Picard the French equivalent of being called Johny Yorkshire? Clearly a made up name.

The Next Phase is a ridiculous episode.

• Why didn't they fall through the floors?
• What air did they breathe?
• How did they hear anyone else (shouldn't normally phased air, carrying sound, pass right through their phased eardrums?)
• Geordi says they were phased for nearly two days. How come they aren't showing some early signs of dehydration? Or at least becoming concerned about the prospect.

Moreover, why the hell would the Romulans be so brazen in their attempt to destroy the Federation flagship on a rescue mission of mercy? This is a group of scientists on a scout ship, did they check with the Senate for authorisation on this 'op' or are all Romulan commanders given carte blanche to blow up Startfleet ships as long a they're sneaky? Big risk to imagine Starfleet wouldn't work out what they'd done after the Enterprise explodes mere hours after rendering them assistance. I'd be shocked if that didn't lead to war or at least some retaliatory actions.

Trouble suspending my disbelief for that one. Even on first run I didn't 'get it'.

 

[Silvercrest]

In Timescape, the tricorders that Geordi, Data, and Troi take with them work, but the other equipment in the frozen time zone do not work. Yet, the only reason Geordi, Data, Troi, and Picard are not frozen in time is because of the arm bands they wear. The Romulan disruptors are not working on the ships, yet the heroes draw their phasers as if they are going to use them.
Why is their equipment they take with them able to work?

Every time I see Picard move Worf's arm aside ("Excuse me, Mr. Worf"), I wonder what it would do to you if your arm was wrenched aside a million times faster than you're capable of moving.

 

[Verteron]

Every time I see Picard move Worf's arm aside ("Excuse me, Mr. Worf"), I wonder what it would do to you if your arm was wrenched aside a million times faster than you're capable of moving.

Chalk it up on the Worf broken bone tote board.

Alongside Allasmorphs, Lore, parasites inhabiting Starfleet Admirals, the Borg, alien Napoleon, other Klingons, Satarans posing as Commanders, Holodeck cowboys, the Paxans, Deanna Troi (who has shot him with a phaser at least four times), a falling piece of cargo, John Doe, Cardassians, The Sheriff of Nottingham and Romulans.

 

[Discofan]

Every time I see Picard move Worf's arm aside ("Excuse me, Mr. Worf"), I wonder what it would do to you if your arm was wrenched aside a million times faster than you're capable of moving.

Anything moving that fast in our atmosphere would ignite and consume in a matter of seconds. Worf would have ended up with a piece of charcoal in lieu of an arm...

 

[gakelly]

Cause and Effect has always seemed like the most ridiculous show out there.
The Bozeman (the ship the Enterprise kept colliding with) has been trapped in a loop for 90 years, but only has been colliding with the Enterprise for 17 days.
Why is the Bozeman trapped in the time loop in the first place?

 

[Nyotarules]

Wesley the boy Saviour

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Cause and Effect has always seemed like the most ridiculous show out there.
The Bozeman (the ship the Enterprise kept colliding with) has been trapped in a loop for 90 years, but only has been colliding with the Enterprise for 17 days.
Why is the Bozeman trapped in the time loop in the first place?

I always thought the timeloop was created by the crash which occurred right after the Bozeman was accidentally transported to the future. It wasn't stuck in a loop by itself for ninety years.

 

[Silvercrest]

Anything moving that fast in our atmosphere would ignite and consume in a matter of seconds. Worf would have ended up with a piece of charcoal in lieu of an arm...

Hmmm, his arm traveled only a few inches and it didn't continue for a matter of seconds — only a split second even from Picard's perspective. Without time for heat to accumulate to the point of ignition, would it still work that way? I have no idea.

Anyway, I'd think he'd still get the equivalent of severe windburn along with a broken or wrenched arm.

 

[Discofan]

Hmmm, his arm traveled only a few inches and it didn't continue for a matter of seconds — only a split second even from Picard's perspective. Without time for heat to accumulate to the point of ignition, would it still work that way? I have no idea.

Anyway, I'd think he'd still get the equivalent of severe windburn along with a broken or wrenched arm.

I've thought about that and in fact, Picard shouldn't have been able to push Worf's arm aside. What happens when a bullet touches you? It goes through you, while the rest of you remains pretty much where it was. Picard's own arm was moving faster than a bullet, in fact, his own body just by moving around would create winds comparable to those created by a bomb going off. Everything around Picard should be destroyed as if a bomb went off near it. There should be nothing left but ruins and human goo in his path!! Unless we're in a fantasy world where only part of the physical laws applies, in which case... ANYTHING GOES!!!

 

[Mojochi]

Cause and Effect has always seemed like the most ridiculous show out there.
The Bozeman (the ship the Enterprise kept colliding with) has been trapped in a loop for 90 years, but only has been colliding with the Enterprise for 17 days.
Why is the Bozeman trapped in the time loop in the first place?

It makes sense if you assume the causality loop exists in both times simultaneously. Essentially, the Bozeman has done exactly the same thing the Enterprise did in exactly the same place, except 80 years earlier, and once they're both trapped inside, that relationship to time isn't the same. In other words, it doesn't subscribe to the passage of time that the ships do. So the Bozeman has only been in there 17 days as well. They just have the added disadvantage of having gotten trapped in it 80 years prior, & thus loses the most time, once it has been escaped. Basically, they landed in a time anomaly that looped them through the same half day a bunch of times (Just like the D) but then when they get out, now it's 80 years later.

The tough thing to get a handle on is why is the collision the reset? Isn't it a causality loop with or without that? I have to think that if the Enterprise crew had figured out the correct maneuver the very 1st time, it would've been like nothing happened to them, but the Bozeman might still have been transported to 80 years later, even though nothing really transpired. Thus making it less a causality loop, & more just a temporal rift, like the one that brings the 1701-C into their time. The collision is what must make it a loop

 

[Silvercrest]

I've thought about that and in fact, Picard shouldn't have been able to push Worf's arm aside. What happens when a bullet touches you? It goes through you, while the rest of you remains pretty much where it was. Picard's own arm was moving faster than a bullet, in fact, his own body just by moving around would create winds comparable to those created by a bomb going off. Everything around Picard should be destroyed as if a bomb went off near it. There should be nothing left but ruins and human goo in his path!! Unless we're in a fantasy world where only part of the physical laws applies, in which case... ANYTHING GOES!!!

If we assume that altered rates of time can be treated exactly the same as changes in speed, then yes. There are other perspectives. For example, warp drive can effectively move you faster than light, but it does so by stretching space instead of increasing your speed — if you were really moving that fast, we'd see some of the same things you described.

Stretching time may work similarly, meaning you don't get the same transfer of kinetic energy. Not that I can explain how it works instead. I guess ANYTHING GOES!!!

 

[JesterFace]

About 'Timescape' and Worf's hand....

Picard was "wearing" a thingy that kept him in normal time. When he touched Worf's hand, why didn't the field include Worf too, Picard did move his hand in Picard time? Why didn't the "timefields" continue from their legs to the floor, walls, people and so on?

 

[Discofan]

About 'Timescape' and Worf's hand....

Picard was "wearing" a thingy that kept him in normal time. When he touched Worf's hand, why didn't the field include Worf too, Picard did move his hand in Picard time? Why didn't the "timefields" continue from their legs to the floor, walls, people and so on?

Same thing when they disintegrate someone with a phaser. Why isn't part of what the person is touching disintegrated as well? Like the ground under their feet for example... why would the disintegration process limit itself to the body of the person? I mean if you touch someone who's being electrocuted, for example, you'll be electrocuted as well.