• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

ST: TNG Rewatch

All of Buck Rogers was lightweight faff but damn if it's not a favorite of mine. :rommie:

:) Yeah, it does have a charm...

And agreed, Coming of Age was a nice surprise.

:)

The clarity of the HD remaster really highlights the fake painted hallway at the training center though. I was always aware of it, but now it's glaring.

It's both a blessing and curse for HD releases - all the little visual issues become more prominent. It's part of the fun and a new way to watch the episodes. For the time, it often worked great or at least sufficient to serve the scenes.

No doubt they were like "crap Denise is leaving, let's build this guy up."

Great point. The second half of season 1 definitely starts fighting to move forward, but by then Denise must've made up her mind. :(

Fun article: https://www.ign.com/articles/denise...ration-wasnt-going-to-be-the-token-hot-blonde


Also noticed a lot of Worf overdubbing during the shots of Armus's energy read outs. Actually, so far this season, there's a lot of ADR work that tends to be obvious. Not as obvious as Data's stunt double though, who always has thicker, less slicked hair.

LOL, good point. The double did seem more prominent this time around when rewatching.

The one big regret I have about Picard season 3 was that they went with the Borg yet again instead of picking up this forgotten thread. With all of the callbacks and nostalgia littering that season, this would have made it really worthwhile and a hell of a surprise for longtime viewers.

Ditto. It's such a missed opportunity and an easy one that would work for longtime fans and casuals alike. Even having the Founders team up with the crayfish things would have been a hook and it's not like casuals or newbies would have known about the Founders/Dominion backdrop at all either... All we got was another big bad ship that looked like its design was inspired by the crayfish species, and... the Borg (again). At least it's easier to buy into the big bad ship now as opposed to NEM's contrivances with Shinzon that just don't add up, but the Borg were not needed for this and already had a different route taken in the previous two seasons, so why use them again? (A desire to return them back to basics? They were done well enough for it to work despite it all so the gamble paid off.) Side note aside, the quick switchover to the Borg after dispatching Vadic definitely felt abrupt. They were done well (I'm also forgetting about the 1701-MilleniumFalcon attack scene in episode ten as it looks silly and so unlike the big-D), but the "Conspiracy" critters just makes more sense all around and would have allowed a more satisfying closure. Still, all in all, PIC/3 still did a lot with callbacks and all, even elevating the misfired 90s foilms and retroactively giving them weight (not unlike TNG turning the Yar/Data fling into something better in season 2 onward!)

There's seemingly a balance between appealing to x million longtime fans for which a sequel directly related to a lead character is based, and bringing in new fans... which made for an interesting choice in the 90s TNG movies as the fanbase was already ~10 million, but being "big screen" they were also going to try to go for the gold medal and somehow bring in new people. But three decades on, and if PIC/3 could play with so many old elements then the 90s flicks did not need to try to appeal to casual popcorn eaters that didn't care about anything other than whiz-bang effects (which are great, but the underlying story easily makes them even better as a spectacle.)

Yeah that's a bit of a TOS-ism. The Comedy Music. When they in effect redid this scene in First Contact, it was much more effective. Lilly reacts with shock and Worf, who's had this dance before, simply blurts out "I am a Klingon." Which is a gem of a scene. With no underscore.

Definitely agreed. STFC has its issues, but others are no less classic. The reaction by Ruby definitely felt more natural, and surprisingly not clunky.

Leon Rippy. He steals every scene. He was genuinely funny. He and Spiner played off each other really well.

Thanks for the namedrop!

I enjoyed how he read the Romulans - but no civilians on the bridge. Picard gives no quarter.


He was great in everything. Even the worst TV shows.

:D

Mark Alaimo couldn't hide in a crowded room, he's so distinctive. Anthony James is also a solid choice, but they are both confined to their seats in crap makeup. What a waste to never use them in these roles again.

Seconded.

For that, absolutely. I'm glad you enjoy them. Thank you!

:) Thanks!
 
Quick comment as I run out: I agree about the guest actors in Code of Honor. As poorly conceived as that episode was, they really were incredibly good. I would have appreciated more time getting to know Yareena instead of spending time on Troi making Yar admit her sexual feelings. Amazing cast wasted on subpar material.

I think this is a good take on it. I've often said the actors are really good. They are also not inherently shown as negative. They are clearly clever, they can make vaccines that the Federation can't. They're ritualistic, but then many races are and many humans are.

The sexual attraction thing was awful and I noticed it was a theme at various points in season one. To Picard she was sexualised "oh if you weren't a captain..." and there was another episode where they make direct reference to her attraction to someone. And of course her screwing Data too.
 
So okay, then, you asked for it season 2.

The Child

Thanks to the Writer's Strike of 1988, we had to suffer through a long summer break. And the production had to use a script from the aborted Phase 2 series, but had enough lead time after the strike was settled to punch it up into a Next Generation episode to be more than satisfied with.

To think what it might have been otherwise. And yet, at the time, not knowing of the strike, the episode still had a daring feel and going where none had gone before and diving into the themes, even in tangents and minutiae that felt as compelling as they were varied. Marina steals the show as well...

Firstly, we get a brand new shot of the Enterprise, a majestic opening score by Dennis McCarthy, a sweet shot of a shuttle leaving the bay, and an elaborate crane shot of the bridge - all to say "welcome back, sorry you had to wait so long." In that shot we immediately see some changes. Worf is in Command Gold, his baldric is updated as well as his makeup (which will continue to evolve over the life of the character). Riker has a beard and it makes a world of difference. I wish my beards looked half as good. Then we see Wes has a spiffy new Acting Ensign uniform.

Great points, all! Loved the opening, loved the music, loved the Ten Forward outside-in shot - which was definitely ambitious and sadly this type of shooting angle would never really be used again... not that you'd want to wear it out, but they could have done it a couple times more in the show's 5 remaining years...

Wesley finally got rid of the Triskeleon-inspired design and had something more suited.

Worf was okay when first starting, but also feels "just right" as Security Chief. He seemingly had half those duties to begin with. Plus, the new Baldric and ditching the 1960s original was a huge step in the right direction. Fantastic design.

Then, in the next scene, Riker joins Picard and Geordi in the ready room (we get two Riker Maneuvers in this scene - one mount and one dismount) and we're told Geordi is now Chief Engineer. All of these are great updates. However, they try to give Picard a new "catchword" which doesn't stick: "Grand." They push it out twice and it's obviously meant to be a thing. It doesn't work and will vanish. However, I adopted it for my own use and use it sarcastically to this day.

It's better than "merde", which he'd used once if not twice... :guffaw:

The show finally decided that they really needed a static Chief Engineer and not the merry-go-round of characters that didn't work at all. Geordi already having been in Engineering a few times, it just felt like a natural progression.

Pause to say, I really like the lighting in this episode. It looks and feels like a different season. There are some shadows and it just feels a little less bright.

The altered lighting and, indeed, film stock as everything feels a tad on the "cooler" side (easily adjusted in post-production to match the warmer film of seasons 1 and 3-7 but not necessary as that would unintentionally alter story tone as well, season 2 did have that theme of space being a cold place so the cooler tone is deliberate for likely many reasons, if I were to guess.)

One more update that works quite well is Deanna's new look. A much more flattering hair style and uniform. She looks younger and less matronly.

Definitely. I did miss the read bead hairstrap piece as that glowed with color and detail on blu-ray thanks to the film restoration and blu-ray's better bandwidth, but it's all made up for. Even if she's now given even less uniformy-looking uniforms. As ship's counselor, there's an easy in-universe reason for this, but then why wouldn't a senior command person regardless of position not wear the standard uniform while on duty?

Two new characters join the cast, both "special" in each episode credits rather than the main titles. Whoopi Goldberg will successfully integrate as Guinan, in the never before seen, but I assume was always there, Ten Forward. The second would prove to be a temporary and less successful fit, Diana Muldaur as Dr. Pulaski. Already knowing how she'll develop, her intro is easier to take here than it was in 1988. I know she'll warm up to Data and made a solid addition, but we have to get there first. Unfortunately she comes off cold and abrasive, kicking the proverbial puppy that is Data. Not a great start, but that's what we've got.

Could Pulaski's personal arc with Data have worked otherwise? Or look worse, if she was warm and charming with the biological beings and just cold and stoic to the manufactured android? She does start as an antihero of sorts, if nothing else.

Seymour Cassell is oddly stilted as Lt. Commander Hester Dealt in a thankless role. His manner is weirdly casual, which I remember my mom hating but I thought was interesting. When he beams out at the end, his freaky grin as he poses is unintentionally funny.

The real meat of the episode is Troi's alien pregnancy. A lot of great subtext in Frakes' performance when they're told in the briefing. He's immediately brusque, obviously jealous. The moment he's told how it happened, his face softens. Frakes is on point here. The discussion about what to do with the pregnancy borders on cruel even though it's practical and Troi shuts it down. Props to Picard for immediately supporting her decision.

^^this. It's a scene that shows much. Frakes' acting ability (as well as directorial as we'd later see) is as nuanced as ever.

Everything in this episode works pretty well but pushing it over the top is the cast. Everyone is freaking great. They make magic out of this desperation script, which is actually pretty well updated by Maurice Hurley. Funny how I don't really miss Beverly even though I have yet to warm to Pulaski.

Kudos to Hurley for spinning silk out of the decade-old script written back when Studio 54 was "a thing".

Wesley's subplot about staying on board is well handled on the side and gives Whoopi a chance to have a bit of an introduction. She helps humanize the cast a bit more, her presence is welcome. The resolution to the Wesley plot is satisfying and amusing.

It's almost by-the-numbers and I was expecting Troi to have a bigger hand in his continued development. But it is a subversion of expectation.


I've held off on the Deanna/Ian plot long enough. My only complaint is that it feels a little crushed in all of the introductions and changes. I wish it had a little more room to breathe. We spend a lot of time with the sinister build up of Ian and not enough of his more pleasant discovery side for my taste. I wanted to see more of Troi as a mom. I did like the birth scene and Riker watching, showing both joy and, I feel, regret that he's not at her side as the father. But he does well as a friend and their interaction is charming and sweet.

I'm gonna flat out say it: Marina is magnificent in this episode. She plays both ends of her dilemma perfectly. She's a protective mother but also a Starfleet officer and the dread on her face as Picard and Pulaski visit before the first growth reveal is well done. That whole scene is spot on. Picard's reaction is priceless and when Ian speaks, and the chill Pulaski feels is evident.

But the real props go back to Marina. When Ian says he has to leave, the horror and panic she feels is gut wrenching. I was heartbroken for her. Even though it was, what, a couple of days? She birthed this child and began raising him. Her reaction and later sadness were honest and true.

^^this!

Never again would a season premiere be a Troi Episode, so they did wonders with this one, especially considering what the staff had to deal with.

Maybe I'm just in a good mood, but this is a strong start to the season, even with some points feeling a little abbreviated in all the intros and changes.

4/5

I remember it's worthy of much praise. Am looking forward to my upcoming rewatch. What I have seen of season 2 so far in rewatch has been spectacular...
 
Yeah, the name is a tad TOSesque (and limiting to 8- or 16-bits is underwhelming as 32-bit processing and higher existed back then), but if the goal was to get kids interested in STEM, then this would be a good onboarding point.
Even today, though, many people's exposure to binary is dealing with 8 bit values. When I teach my students binary math, we work with 8 bits at a time. This is largely because of IP addresses being broken into four octets of 8 bits each. (Yes, IPv6 is different, but we still can't get around to actually making IPv6 the standard.)
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top