Stupid Stuff in TNG

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by gakelly, Mar 4, 2019.

  1. saladdays

    saladdays Commander Red Shirt

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    I understand what you mean, but let me further illustrate my point. Let's take someone who is a Christian (which I'm sure fits your general "religious person" requirement). If this person does not believe anyone in the world can create, what you refer to as a self-aware mind (I do not want to equate it to the term "soul" because I do not think that is what most Christians would equate it to), then wouldn't it be likely that that person also believes something that exhibits qualities of self-awareness to not truly be self-aware?

    I apologize if this is coming off obtuse and confusing, because that's not how I'm meaning it.
     
  2. Discofan

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    True (the bolded part). But that's not relevant to anything I said.

    Christians, especially, believe that creating a soul or a self-aware being (which is what most of them end up equating a soul with when you question them long enough) is the exclusive privilege of god. They will never admit that anything (artificially) created by man could contain a soul. They'll think that Data is just a complex toaster with super duper AI programs but they'll never admit that he's a person. It would be a contradiction in terms with their religion and if you ask any religious person to choose between their religion and something else like a sci. fi. series, they'll choose their religion without hesitation.
     
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  3. saladdays

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    Yes, I realize that. I just read your earlier post as implying that Person A's beliefs are mutually exclusive from Personal B's beliefs, which I now know is not what you meant.
     
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    In The Mind's Eye, why would the romulans condition LaForge so perfectly to kill and deceive without detection, yet not brainwash him to mislead the investigation. He literally found himself. (ok well data did) but scanning the rifle that lead them down the romulan path was laforge.
     
  5. Nightdiamond

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    Season 2- Riker says he doesn't value combat training that much. He believes in using the mind during battle. 4 years later when he's in command, 2 decades old, out of date Birds of Prey commanded by Ferengis, surprises his ship, disables it and ends up taking his entire crew captives. He only returned one shot and then kept asking for reports. They pounded his ship like crazy.

    Captain Jellico has reason to believe the Cardassian fleet hiding in a nebulae are going about to invade (they were). He has a plan to stop them. He tells the crew about this. They question him and ask him what if the fleet was there to do scientific research. He tells Crusher to get sickbay ready in case of casualties. Crusher cuts him off, glares at him and then leaves. They seemed really ready and eager to defend themselves and the Federation against a fleet of ships about to invade.

    Starfleet and Picard thinks it's perfectly OK to put a 15 year old with no Starfleet training in the main pilot chair during official missions--even though there is supposed to be a big waiting list for the Enterprise.
     
  6. Discofan

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    In "The Devil's Due", what does Riker hope to accomplish by yelling "WE DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR MAGIC!!" at the woman? It's a stupid move that most people will read like a lack of self-confidence.
     
  7. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Adding the "James T. Kirk impersonator of the year" award to his trophy case. :lol::rofl:
     
  8. Discofan

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    ;):lol:
     
  9. gakelly

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    I was watching The Big Goodbye, and the hard-ass cop that hated Dixon Hill came to arrest Hill/Picard because Hill's business card was found on the dead body. That was the evidence that was used to arrest him. That was so completely ridiculous. The whole episode was asinine to begin with.
    The problem was that the Holodeck doors wouldn't open up. That is the crisis...think about how stupid that is.
    Wesley saves the day yet again.
    The holodeck will destroy human tissue if it is turned off
    Picard has to say some stupid bug words or the other aliens will become so offended they will not have contact with the federation for another 60 years.
     
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  10. Discofan

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    Worse things happen in real life. A man was arrested in France and later condemned for the murder of a woman, on the sole evidence that she (allegedly) wrote his name in a message on a wall of the cellar she was found in with her own blood, but the message contained some nasty grammar mistake and she was known to be well-educated. Plus it was demonstrated that from where the body was found it was nearly impossible for her to write the message (unless someone helped her... if you see what I mean). The man was charged with murder, sentenced and only years later pardoned. The case shouldn't have even made it past the probable cause hearing!!!
     
  11. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Aside from being planted, the victim could have taken it out to look at again before being killed, having acquired it for any number of reasons, even finding it after somebody else had dropped it, and wondering what it was.
     
  12. Discofan

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    In their defense, in most detective series like that the cops often look ridiculous, (e.g. in the Sherlock Holmes stories the cop in charge of the case often says the stupidest of things, same thing with the Hercule Poirot novels). It makes the hero look that much clever by contrast.
     
  13. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    The "whoever isn't us is stupider than us, by a long shot." trope.
     
  14. Discofan

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    True. Also, like the Captain Proton stories on Voyager, "The Big Goodbye" is meant as a parody of the genre.
     
  15. gakelly

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    In the Hunted when Dinar knocked out the 3 guys in engineering, when Worf shows up in engineering a few moments later, all 3 of the crew members come to at exactly the same time. (it happens in a few other episodes too).
     
  16. donners22

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    I hate the ending to The Wounded.

    Firstly Picard is dumb enough to let Maxwell remain in command without any Enterprise personnel sent over, notwithstanding that he has murdered numerous Cardassians and his crew have apparently had no issue following his orders to date.

    Then Picard beams over unexpectedly - apparently onto the bridge, as he walks into the ready room (where Maxwell is, inexplicably, in the middle of a crisis) and NOBODY on Maxwell’s ship does anything about it.

    I know the latter is just a budget-saving effort to avoid paying extras or building another bridge set, but it is nonsensical.
     
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  17. Discofan

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    From the very beginning of the series, I was puzzled by the fact that Data is supposed to be a walking talking encyclopedia but at the same time, he's incapable of using an expression or cite a proverb with the proper terms, he often replaces them by more unlikely ones. There must be a glitch in his program that compels him to do something so stupid. I know they meant that as a way to showcase his robotic nature, but that's a stupid way to go about it.
     
  18. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Maybe Maxwell instructed them to let O'Brien come aboard. They did serve together once.
     
  19. Discofan

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    Some stupid incoherent stuff:

    In Devil's due they are capable of projecting holograms anywhere without limits. The con artist takes the appearance of different people and then they return the compliment (once they've figured out how she does it). But outside of this story, they're INCAPABLE of having holograms outside of the holodeck or outside of areas where they have holographic projectors in Voyager. The mobile emitter of the doctor comes from the future!! Which is a major breach of the temporal directive BTW, they even go as far as thinking of using it for research which should certainly upset the people in charge of preserving the timeline!!! That's some messy shit!!!

    It would be like teaching people from the end of the 19th century how to make smartphones!!!

    Do you really think that the timeline would remain unaffected if someone did something like that?
     
  20. gakelly

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    In Sarek, when Riker and Picard are walking in the teaser, Riker claims he studied Sarek at the academy. He mentions 3 or 4 treaties that he helped negotiate.
    Can you name anyone in history who helped negotiate a treaty?
    Imagine how boring that would be...studying some guy who negotiated treaties.
     
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