Stupid Stuff in TNG

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by gakelly, Mar 4, 2019.

  1. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Maybe the crew winds up liking the backups better than the real thing, or the backup mutinies and tries to take the job from the real person?
     
  2. XCV330

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    Have to wonder about all the landing parties that died from allergy attack etc from some new form of pollen. but maybe they have ways to inoculate against that
     
  3. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

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    All created after Porthos got sick from taking part in a landing party.
     
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  4. MAGolding

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    Moriarty is not a hologram any more than you are a living primate. You are a personalty, and an intelligence. You are currently housed in a biological brain in your body but that could change. Moriarty's personality and intelligence was housed in a section of the computer system of the Enterprise, not in his holographic body. The real Moriarty was already outside of the holodeck, inside a section of the computer system of the Enterprise, not inside his body on the holodeck.

    So it would be a simple task to build an android body without any innate intelligence that would be remotely controlled by Moriarty's personality in a section of the computer system of the Enterprise, just as Moriarty's holographic body without any innate intelligence had previously been remotely controlled by Moriarty's personality in a section of the computer system of the Enterprise.

    But what about giving Moriarty the power to travel many light years out of range of of the computer system of the Enterprise?

    1. Find a blank positronic brain - like Data's - capable of human level intelligence and copy Moriarty's memories and self from a section of the computer system of the Enterprise to that positronic brain.

    2. Put that positronic brain into Moriarty's physical android body and connect it so it control the android body.

    3. Turn on the positronic brain and let Moriarty's personality inside the positronic brain control Moriarty's android body.

    In "The Offspring":

    This indicates that a they could have acquired a suitable positronic brain and copied Moriarty's memories, personality, and identity into it with available technology (also see "The Schizoid Man').

    This is such an elementary and obvious procedure that I doubt the sincerity of Picard's offer to find a way for Moriarty to leave the holodeck.
     
  5. Discofan

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    Moriarty is used to the idea of being a (flesh and blood) human being, I am not sure he would appreciate living the rest of his life as a robot. Remember that part of the reason he wanted to be "real" was the woman he was in love with and that he wanted alongside himself.
     
  6. at Quark's

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    They could have had some fun with it in Data's poetry recital. Something like:

    "And though I think I know you, Spot, some mysteries prevail;
    How did you end up pregnant if you started out as male"

    (though probably there's some little factoid that would spoil it, like Spot only getting pregnant after that poem).
     
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  7. Discofan

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    Since we're on the stupid stuff. How about Data being presented as a walking talking encyclopedia and at the same time being unable to use an expression without replacing some words by more improbable ones? It's quite ironic that Data's robotic nature is "displayed" by making him do things a robot is not supposed to do.
     
  8. JesterFace

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    If I was an computer program, I'm not sure I would be willing to be "transferred" from the computer to an android body, who knows what might go wrong or maybe that would change personality or something?
     
  9. Discofan

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    The thing is, Moriarty didn't think of himself as a computer program but as a person and that's why I think he would have refused to be reduced to an android.
     
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  10. tharpdevenport

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    Data: "I am an adroid, not a robot."
     
  11. Discofan

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    A distinction without a difference. It's like saying I am a human not a hominid.
     
  12. Timo

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    ...More like saying that a hominid is not a human, which is a true statement for the most part.

    Data is supposed to be quirky - it's one of his programmed parameters, or personality traits, and one he is both unwilling and potentially unable to overcome. After decades of coexistence with humans, he's probably deeply stuck in the role of the class clown, merely pretending to be inexperienced in the human ways.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  13. Discofan

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    You couldn't be more wrong! An android is a type of robot, not the other way around!!!

    Think about it!
     
  14. gakelly

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    Why the Federation does not have cloaking technology. In The Pegasus, there is reference made to a treaty that strictly forbids the Federation from pursuing cloaking technology. In other episodes (some TOS) it was known that the Federation was winning the war. Why would they do such a stupid thing as allowing this in the treaty.

    Cloaking technology (to my understanding) is simply making a ship invisible to another ship's sensors. Why wouldn't the Federation develop this technology even if it is used against non-Romulan adversaries?
    It seems like the ultimate idiotic move by the Federation.
     
  15. Discofan

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    I agree that doesn't make sense. Plus sign a treaty with the Romulans who tried to destroy the Enterprise on a rescue mission!! (The Next Phase) How can you sign a treaty with people like that?
     
  16. gakelly

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    It's ridiculous that a military organization like the Federation would be winning a war and sign a treaty where they would give up such a huge concession like that and be okay with the enemy continuing to develop a major tactical advantage. It would be like at end of WW1, where the allies would agree not to develop airplane technology but allow the Germans to continue to develop it.

    And since it's simply a way to jam another ship's sensors, what is the logic behind not being able to fire when cloaked?
     
  17. gakelly

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    In the episode Brothers, after Data has taken control of the ship, the rest of the crew is in engineering deciding what to do. Riker says, "The only way we knew we'd come out of warp was by looking out a window."
    The crew is in engineering. They can simply look at the warp reactor, there are all sorts of monitors and surely one of them would have the engine status on them, and Geordi is there (in another episode he could tell there was something wrong with the engine simply by the feel of the ship or how the floor plates felt.
     
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  18. Timo

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    I did. And it's exactly what I meant.

    Data/Picard says "I'm an android/human very specifically, not some robot/hominid generally - so don't go making assumptions about me based on generic ideas about robots/hominids. I'm not a stupid toaster/ape".

    So Data is correct and making a relevant statement, just like Picard would be if he said those things.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  19. saladdays

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    I think he was being a bit facetious, or at least that's how I remember it. It's been a while since I've seen it.
     
  20. Discofan

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    This is absolute gibberish. A human IS a hominid, just as an android IS a robot. As for generic ideas by their very definitions they apply to every member of a group, specific ideas apply to a restricted portion of the group. Whoever wrote that dialogue is either an ignoramus or he was drunk at the moment and that's the most charitable assumptions that I can make.