Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[eschaton]

This is probably the best place to discuss this, because it's not a critique of the current episode, but the way Season 3 is shaping up, it feels like "Discovery disease" is starting to hurt SNW. That is to say, the writers are juggling too many serialized character/plot arcs, meaning each episode is losing narrative focus due to the need to touch on everything else.

Right now we have:

• Batel's sickness/transition into a Gorn hybrid, and the resulting Pike relationship drama
• Chapel/Korby new relationship drama, and any potential issues Spock still has
• Spock's new FWB thing with La'an
• Uhura and Beto's flirting
• Ortega's Gorn-related PTSD
• The whole "inexperienced Scotty nearly fucking things up" arc

So far, I think there were two episodes which were significantly hurt by this (3 and 5), though bits of this impacted the rest of the season as well.

Essentially, the show has three different responses, none of which are particularly good:

1. Just ignore the subplot entirely for a week, which leads to complaints (like how Batel doesn't figure into Episode 4).
2. Quickly say "well, that's done for now" (Episode 4 does this with Ortegas, while Episode 5 essentially does that with the Spock/La'an situationship).
3. Awkwardly shoehorn in a subplot where it doesn't belong.

The problem I think is the showrunners desperately want to have DS9-length seasons, and are trying to shoehorn DS9-level character development across only ten episodes.

 

[Noname Given]

I doubt a Human/Gorn hybrid would be a danger to the original species, other than to eventually waterdown their DNA and not be "Pure" anymore.

Very much like how the Klingon augments were disparaged and shunned by 'Normal' Klingons.

Obviously, bigotry is not exclusive to the Human race.

Unless as M'Benga has said, the Gorn DNA is very aggressive in how it interacts with other species DNA.

But yeah, we'll most likely see the writer's resolution to Captain Batel's character arc before the series run of SNW concludes.

 

[V'Lias]

The problem I think is the showrunners desperately want to have DS9-length seasons, and are trying to shoehorn DS9-level character development across only ten episodes.

I can see this too, there's a lot that feels pretty rushed. There are several episodes that have two different stories crammed in that could probably each be their own episode. I know there are some people that don't want longer seasons anymore, but I think they could have done a better job with a 15-18 episode season. It would give all these threads more room to breathe.

 

[DaveyNY]

I can see this too, there's a lot that feels pretty rushed. There are several episodes that have two different stories crammed in that could probably each be their own episode. I know there are some people that don't want longer seasons anymore, but I think they could have done a better job with a 15-18 episode season. It would give all these threads more room to breathe.

Heh ... Too bad CBS/Paramount didn't desire to pay for any more than ten.
(and we're probably lucky to have gotten that many)

 

[V'Lias]

Heh ... Too bad CBS/Paramount didn't desire to pay for any more than ten.
(and we're probably lucky to have gotten that many)

We most likely are lucky, especially with season 5 being six episodes!

The entire way through the show I've been sitting back and wondering how much they could save if every episode didn't look like a movie though. I would be happy to have a few less spaceship shots and less amazing looking sets if it meant another episode or two. Plus, some of my favorite Trek episodes have been mostly focused on a few people on set with lots of dialog and very few effects and stunts. Of course I wouldn't want every one to be that way, but I would enjoy seeing some of those episodes still!

 

[Tuskin38]

Interview with Korby’s actor, Cillian O'Sullivan

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Heh he was a Star Trek fan since he was a kid, he used to dress up as Riker. Also plays Call of Duty, which really isn't relevant to Star Trek, but neat.

 

[MarcKyle1964]

We most likely are lucky, especially with season 5 being six episodes!

The entire way through the show I've been sitting back and wondering how much they could save if every episode didn't look like a movie though. I would be happy to have a few less spaceship shots and less amazing looking sets if it meant another episode or two. Plus, some of my favorite Trek episodes have been mostly focused on a few people on set with lots of dialog and very few effects and stunts. Of course I wouldn't want every one to be that way, but I would enjoy seeing some of those episodes still!

Some of the best Treks have been bottle shows with few (if any) temporary sets. It forces the writers to get creative.

 

[cooleddie74]

Love this photo of Pike from the Trelane episode.

"What? What, what do you want from me? I'm behaving. Technically."

 

[Jayson1]

Love this photo of Pike from the Trelane episode.

"What? What, what do you want from me? I'm behaving. Technically."

Looks like he is about to give someone a hug. Pike is indeed a wise Captain.

 

[cooleddie74]

Airlock. Right now.

 

[Jayson1]

Airlock. Right now.

Seems like a strange place to go for a hug but who am I turn down a hugging opportunity. What could go wrong?

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I would enjoy a hug from Anson Mount.

 

[DaveyNY]

Airlock. Right now.

Someone should suggest that They connect a fire hose to the airlock.

 

[The Wormhole]

Looks like he is about to give someone a hug.

 

[Tosk]

Love this photo of Pike from the Trelane episode.

"What? What, what do you want from me? I'm behaving. Technically."

 

[cooleddie74]

Jazz hands. They work in any century.

 

[MarcKyle1964]

Star Trek: Uncaged

Brilliant!

 

[Mudd]

Why would the Gorn assign a member of an alien species to command one of their battleships and send that captain out of all their soldiers to commit a massacre of civilians, women and children?

Why would Batel do it?

To call the continuity "solution" depressing doesn't scratch the surface of it.

 

[Jayson1]

I think the idea is that Batel might infect all the Gorn in some fashion changing them into what they were on TOS. It feels like a rehash of the Enterprise idea of showing why the Klingons didn't have ridges in TOS, to me. I still think the best thing to do is just say their are two different kind of Gorn. I mean it did sort of work with the Romulans and Remans.

 

[137th Gebirg]

An augment virus for the Gorn? We’re quite the dangerously virulent species, aren’t we?