Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Mudd]

As a gen Y, I feel that disproves your point somewhat.

It absolutely can maintain a solid continuity, what it has to do is offer a diverse range of offerings. The right gateway show can get someone invested in the previous material.

Nope.

Comics take a sensible approach to this. There are core elements to their various characters and storyline, which they adjust and improvise around as time passes.

Making a fossil out of an IP is counterproductive and uncreative. Star Trek is neither history nor scripture, and not close to either.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Well it can't be proven but I can't think of any other reason to give a character such a brutal death.

Think harder.

 

[Tallguy]

Many fans haven't gotten over Kirk's death in Generations. You think they're going to stand for him to be killed before TOS even happens?

As for Pike: This is what we signed up for when they said "Hey, let's make a show about Pike!" If anything they've managed to weave in his eventual accident as part of the fabric of the show rather than coming out of nowhere. (As, you know, tragic accidents do.)

One might wonder (assuming she's still around) why Una never found Kirk and Spock (Spock doesn't know, does he?) after The Menagerie and said "Yeah. He knew this was coming. He was OK with it."

I don't think they'll wrap up the show by subverting the accident as much as possibly wrapping things up afterwards.

Heck, maybe they'll do a version of The Menagerie where we get all cards on the table with knowing that Uhura, Chapel, and Scotty all had served with Pike and seeing their reactions to the accident and Spock's mutiny. Just a) do a better job than A Quality of Mercy and b) don't screw up the TMP uniforms like they screwed up the TWOK uniforms. (And if you want to fix the SNW TWOK uniforms that would be swell. Thanks.)

 

[cooleddie74]

Although at least the SNW version of the Monster Maroon is easily explained as an alternate timeline version of the uniform that happens because the events of "Balance of Terror" and the Neutral Zone incursion go so differently. And the SNW variant is pretty close to the original design.

 

[Tallguy]

Although at least the SNW version of the Monster Maroon is easily explained as an alternate timeline version of the uniform that happens because the events of "Balance of Terror" and the Neutral Zone incursion go so differently. And the SNW variant is pretty close to the original design.

Yeah this isn't a "canon / not canon - timeline / alternate timeline" thing. This is a "hey, that uniform looks ugly, don't do that" thing.

 

[cooleddie74]

The front jacket flap was at too low an angle. I'd have changed that in a heartbeat.

 

[Yistaan]

The real reason was Terry Farrell had a reaction to the make up so the opted for spots. Terry Farrell being allergic to the make up was also the reason why Jadzia doesn't join the mission to reveal the changeling in 'apocalypse rising', despite the characters extensive knowledge of Klingon culture.

That was where her allergy really clashed with the story because it was absurd they were sending Worf undercover into a gathering where there was an extremely high chance of him being recognized by someone (not even getting into Gowron knowing Worf personally).

 

[Nerys Myk]

The front jacket flap was at too low an angle. I'd have changed that in a heartbeat.

I would burn all versions across all timelines, universes and realities.

 

[Mudd]

Many fans haven't gotten over Kirk's death in Generations. You think they're going to stand for him to be killed before TOS even happens?

As for Pike: This is what we signed up for when they said "Hey, let's make a show about Pike!" If anything they've managed to weave in his eventual accident as part of the fabric of the show rather than coming out of nowhere. (As, you know, tragic accidents do.)

One might wonder (assuming she's still around) why Una never found Kirk and Spock (Spock doesn't know, does he?) after The Menagerie and said "Yeah. He knew this was coming. He was OK with it."

I don't think they'll wrap up the show by subverting the accident as much as possibly wrapping things up afterwards.

Heck, maybe they'll do a version of The Menagerie where we get all cards on the table with knowing that Uhura, Chapel, and Scotty all had served with Pike and seeing their reactions to the accident and Spock's mutiny. Just a) do a better job than A Quality of Mercy and b) don't screw up the TMP uniforms like they screwed up the TWOK uniforms. (And if you want to fix the SNW TWOK uniforms that would be swell. Thanks.)

Uhura being in on Spock's plan because of her loyalty to Pike is the only plausible fix to the nonsensical plot hole in "The Menagerie" whereby she never informs Kirk of "months" of "subspace chatter" about Pike's accident.

 

[Tallguy]

Uhura being in on Spock's plan because of her loyalty to Pike is the only plausible fix to the nonsensical plot hole in "The Menagerie" whereby she never informs Kirk of "months" of "subspace chatter" about Pike's accident.

Wasn't the explanation (stated or implied) that they were out of range of that chatter?

 

[Mudd]

Wasn't the explanation (stated or implied) that they were out of range of that chatter?

Spock heard it. He's got a way of getting Starfleet gossip (that goes around for months) that the woman supervising ship's communications doesn't?

The real explanation, of course, is that the envelope story was kludged in a hurry out of necessity. Much that occurs in it is both internally inconsistent and out of continuity with how the Enterprise functions in other stories.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm glad Halo doesn't do that. It'd be incredibly jarring for the Spartan and Covenant looks along with much of the equipment to radically change from game to game. Sure, same continuity but the visuals would be so spastic and inconsistent it would take some players out of the games.

Is this sarcasm?

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[Lord Hierarch]

Is this sarcasm?

NOTHING EVER CHANGES IN HALOOOO!!

 

[HotRod]

Is this sarcasm?

I honestly wasn't sure either. It's been a minute since I played a Halo game.

 

[cooleddie74]

I actually wasn't being. I've played the games for over 20 years and even though the graphics improve and little flourishes are added with new game releases the general overall appearance of the outfits and equipment have remained the same. More detail, more texturing, but nothing like, say, the jarring aesthetic differences between DSC and TOS.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Nope.

Comics take a sensible approach to this. There are core elements to their various characters and storyline, which they adjust and improvise around as time passes.

Making a fossil out of an IP is counterproductive and uncreative. Star Trek is neither history nor scripture, and not close to either.

Which works for a written medium but look at what happens when live action and animated comic book adaptations continuously reboot or play loose with continuity. You need long periods of investment and then long periods of absence for that previous investment to fizzle out so you've got a fresh canvas. Star Trek tried that and its reboot didn't for whatever reason you want to pick spawn a whole new era of continuity, the franchise not truly flourishing again until it debooted back to its original continuity.

Now if we go 20 or so years with no Star Trek content maybe then a fresh start will be embraced.

 

[Mudd]

Now if we go 20 or so years with no Star Trek content maybe then a fresh start will be emembraced.

If they don't find a way to break with the past, you'll get that twenty years, easy.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

If they don't find a way to break with the past, you'll get that twenty years, easy.

History will inevitably prove one of us right

 

[Tuskin38]

I actually wasn't being. I've played the games for over 20 years and even though the graphics improve and little flourishes are added with new game releases the general overall appearance of the outfits and equipment have remained the same. More detail, more texturing, but nothing like, say, the jarring aesthetic differences between DSC and TOS.

Halo 4 redesigned a lot of the Covenant aliens.