Think harder.
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Think harder.
Many fans haven't gotten over Kirk's death in Generations. You think they're going to stand for him to be killed before TOS even happens?
As for Pike: This is what we signed up for when they said "Hey, let's make a show about Pike!" If anything they've managed to weave in his eventual accident as part of the fabric of the show rather than coming out of nowhere. (As, you know, tragic accidents do.)
One might wonder (assuming she's still around) why Una never found Kirk and Spock (Spock doesn't know, does he?) after The Menagerie and said "Yeah. He knew this was coming. He was OK with it."
I don't think they'll wrap up the show by subverting the accident as much as possibly wrapping things up afterwards.
Heck, maybe they'll do a version of The Menagerie where we get all cards on the table with knowing that Uhura, Chapel, and Scotty all had served with Pike and seeing their reactions to the accident and Spock's mutiny. Just a) do a better job than A Quality of Mercy and b) don't screw up the TMP uniforms like they screwed up the TWOK uniforms. (And if you want to fix the SNW TWOK uniforms that would be swell. Thanks.)
As for Pike: This is what we signed up for when they said "Hey, let's make a show about Pike!" If anything they've managed to weave in his eventual accident as part of the fabric of the show rather than coming out of nowhere. (As, you know, tragic accidents do.)
One might wonder (assuming she's still around) why Una never found Kirk and Spock (Spock doesn't know, does he?) after The Menagerie and said "Yeah. He knew this was coming. He was OK with it."
I don't think they'll wrap up the show by subverting the accident as much as possibly wrapping things up afterwards.
Heck, maybe they'll do a version of The Menagerie where we get all cards on the table with knowing that Uhura, Chapel, and Scotty all had served with Pike and seeing their reactions to the accident and Spock's mutiny. Just a) do a better job than A Quality of Mercy and b) don't screw up the TMP uniforms like they screwed up the TWOK uniforms. (And if you want to fix the SNW TWOK uniforms that would be swell. Thanks.)
Although at least the SNW version of the Monster Maroon is easily explained as an alternate timeline version of the uniform that happens because the events of "Balance of Terror" and the Neutral Zone incursion go so differently. And the SNW variant is pretty close to the original design.
Yeah this isn't a "canon / not canon - timeline / alternate timeline" thing. This is a "hey, that uniform looks ugly, don't do that" thing.
The front jacket flap was at too low an angle. I'd have changed that in a heartbeat.
That was where her allergy really clashed with the story because it was absurd they were sending Worf undercover into a gathering where there was an extremely high chance of him being recognized by someone (not even getting into Gowron knowing Worf personally).
I would burn all versions across all timelines, universes and realities.
Uhura being in on Spock's plan because of her loyalty to Pike is the only plausible fix to the nonsensical plot hole in "The Menagerie" whereby she never informs Kirk of "months" of "subspace chatter" about Pike's accident.
Wasn't the explanation (stated or implied) that they were out of range of that chatter?
Spock heard it. He's got a way of getting Starfleet gossip (that goes around for months) that the woman supervising ship's communications doesn't?
The real explanation, of course, is that the envelope story was kludged in a hurry out of necessity. Much that occurs in it is both internally inconsistent and out of continuity with how the Enterprise functions in other stories.
Is this sarcasm?
NOTHING EVER CHANGES IN HALOOOO!!
I honestly wasn't sure either. It's been a minute since I played a Halo game.
I actually wasn't being. I've played the games for over 20 years and even though the graphics improve and little flourishes are added with new game releases the general overall appearance of the outfits and equipment have remained the same. More detail, more texturing, but nothing like, say, the jarring aesthetic differences between DSC and TOS.
Which works for a written medium but look at what happens when live action and animated comic book adaptations continuously reboot or play loose with continuity. You need long periods of investment and then long periods of absence for that previous investment to fizzle out so you've got a fresh canvas. Star Trek tried that and its reboot didn't for whatever reason you want to pick spawn a whole new era of continuity, the franchise not truly flourishing again until it debooted back to its original continuity.
Now if we go 20 or so years with no Star Trek content maybe then a fresh start will be embraced.
If they don't find a way to break with the past, you'll get that twenty years, easy.
History will inevitably prove one of us right
Halo 4 redesigned a lot of the Covenant aliens.
Star Trek's "continuity" has only been an illusion anyway. Of the franchise's first forty years, every series could have existed as standalone with the exceptions of DS9 and Enterprise, which did draw from the Trek mythos, and ironically they were the two series from the first forty years that made the least splash amongst general audiences, and are at times viewed, not entirely inaccurately as the redheaded stepchildren of the franchise. Indeed, Trek Lore didn't start being tapped for story potential until around 2003 when the novels were really starting to be allowed to do their own thing, and then in 2004 when Enterprise did its fanwank final season.
Indeed, look at the franchise's popular points in the first forty years, on TV that's TOS and TNG. And why are they so popular? Because they're the sort of show the casual viewer can sit down and enjoy it without any foreknowledge. The most popular movies from that time period? TWOK and TVH. Yes, TWOK is a sequel to an episode of TOS, but it works just fine if you hadn't seen that episode. And need I point out, the movie contradicts the episode it follows up on, yet that doesn't prevent anyone from considering it amongst the best. And TVH? That's basically a comedy set in the contemporary era that has little connection to the Star Trek world, and that ended up being the franchise's biggest box office hit before Trek XI came out.
Bottom line, Star Trek's continuity is not the selling point some fans seem to think it is.
Ah, what? Doctor Who is notoriously anti-continuity. One of its most revered writers/producers is quoted saying "continuity is only whatever I can remember." Indeed, during the period he was involved with the show, time travel was actually removed from the show, the Doctor was stranded on a vaguely defined "near future" Earth, which the show couldn't even stay consistent about when that "near future" was to the point that it ended up becoming the present day the show was made in at one point, only to be contradicted even further. And since time travel was removed from the show at this point, you can't even use the "time war, changing timeline" excuse many try to use to explain Doctor Who's inconsistencies.
And even that can only be applied to the period of 2010-2017, the Steven Moffat era, which is the only time in the show's history that Doctor Who was actually about time travel and the implications and consequences that go with it. Before and since, time travel has only been a mode of transport for Doctor Who.
