Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

I like to think of that as due to the influence of the time period it was written and filmed in. SNW is in that period yet far mor enlightened.

You might be right, though again I see it a little differently.

but yeah, the fashion industry (and beauty industry) is toxic and outdated and hopefully is gone by the 23rd century.

I hope that fashion is far far away in the next 10 years much less in another century.

I think a lot of it was due to them still trying to figure things out. It was still difficult for them to look past the beliefs of hteir time period, although you'd think even with TOS' talk about abandoning bigotry and supporting equality, they'd apply that to sexism too

I would hope so, yes, which is why having nearly identical cuts to uniforms makes way more sense to me than previous eras differentiating. Also, TOS had female officers in pants so I see no issue continuing forward with it. If the actresses want something more flattering I would consider it, but that's it. I am very much against female=must dress sexy attitude. Can't stand it, can't stand fashion and just...

*takes a deep breath*

I don't care for it.

 

[MikHutch]

You might be right, though again I see it a little differently.

I hope that fashion is far far away in the next 10 years much less in another century.

Ikr. What's even the point of it anymore?

I would hope so, yes, which is why having nearly identical cuts to uniforms makes way more sense to me than previous eras differentiating. Also, TOS had female officers in pants so I see no issue continuing forward with it. If the actresses want something more flattering I would consider it, but that's it. I am very much against female=must dress sexy attitude. Can't stand it, can't stand fashion and just...

*takes a deep breath*

I don't care for it.

I prefer my Star Trek to be unsexy if that makes sense

 

[Sci]

I hope they change the costumes for season 3. I don't like this particular unisex costumes - the thick pants and long t shirt on the girls. it looks good on the guys but terrible on the female characters. it makes many of them look very bulky and shapeless.

TNG Jump suit unisex uniform were great on the men and women. Ironic in SNW Chapel is the only one who is wearing a jump suit and she looks good.

I hope in season 3 of SNW, Uhura, Ortega and Laan are given a brand new uniform that is more fitting and more girly-girly.

Yes, I know we are not in the 60s and mini lycra dresses wont work in 2023, however i hope the the female characters can still be styled more differently than the male characters.

Women do not exist to be decorative for men. There is no reason or obligation for them to be "girly-girly."

 

[Mudd]

Fashion's not going to fade away, sorry.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I hope in season 3 of SNW, Uhura, Ortega and Laan are given a brand new uniform that is more fitting and more girly-girly.

Yes, I know we are not in the 60s and mini lycra dresses wont work in 2023, however i hope the the female characters can still be styled more differently than the male characters.

They are styled differently according to the character. Uhura and Number One often wear the updated version of the mini-skirt uniform. (Rebecca Romijn requested a call-back to it and the design team complied.) But you seem to be longing for the catsuit days. I hope those NEVER come back.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

True but IMO that title and concept would work better in an area and time period we're not already heavily familiar with. Remember how much Enterprise got bashed for introducing new aliens?

TOS introduced all the aliens you're familiar with. SNW and TOS are meant to represent the golden age of space exploration and discovery. We never got the five year mission so we're getting it now. We will meet new species, new peoples, new worlds and cultures. That is the point of the show.

 

[cooleddie74]

Uhura's alternate future of 2266 uniform seen in "A Quality of Mercy" was basically the TOS Uhura uniform with just a few small differences.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I'd like to think the enlightened future would do away with the nonsense of the fashion world in general.

Never. Fashion tells the story of a culture, and the cultures within that culture. Concepts of beauty. Rebellion against those concepts. Fashion comments on culture constantly. Youth versus the status quo. Tribal identity. Reflections and homage to the natural world. Religion.

Self decoration as expression is as old as humanity. I hope it never goes away. If you're referring to the industry and fast fashion then I get it. But as art, as character language, I love it.

 

[cooleddie74]

Fashion reflects who we are as a society. And no, fashion is going absolutely nowhere. Trends come and go and some occasionally vanish into the ether but no, our clothes and how they're designed will always be a part of human civilization.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Fashion's not going to fade away, sorry.

I hope not. The fashion industry sucks but Fashion is expression and if that goes away then...well, I don't wanna live in that world.

 

[cooleddie74]

At some point huge bell bottoms are going to be the rage once again. I want to live long enough to rock those and unironically.

 

[fireproof78]

Ikr. What's even the point of it anymore?

Power and control.

 

[Hythlodeus]

At some point huge bell bottoms are going to be the rage once again. I want to live long enough to rock those and unironically.

they should have come back in the mid 2010s, per the circle of retro fads, but somehow, they missed their cue

 

[Magistos]

they should have come back in the mid 2010s, per the circle of retro fads, but somehow, they missed their cue

I KIND OF feel like they sort of did in the form of JNCO jeans, and that style is coming back again, I think.

 

[DaveyNY]

"Yes, I can obtain to that positive choice, " vs. "Wise man on the hill separate from the common man."

I'm more like the well-read troll hiding from the masses on my living room couch.

 

[Paul755]

If fashion on the shows reflects society then SNW is downright conservative in the way the females dress.

Go to any shopping mall…hell…go to a Target on the weekends and you will see women wearing shorts shorter than the mini-dresses from TOS and Yoga Pants or Blue Jeans and tank tops tighter than anything Jeri Ryan wore on Voyager.

I’m not saying SNW or Trek in general needs or should go that direction but it is something to keep in mind. That they COULD go that direction if they chose to in the same way they us 4K screens on the bridge and not old CRT screens.

 

[comsol]

At some point huge bell bottoms are going to be the rage once again. I want to live long enough to rock those and unironically.

Well, wider pants for men are making a comeback, and I've seen trousers with at least boot cuts so I can see flares making a comeback - so who knows, maybe you'll get your huge bell bottoms soon.

 

[Hythlodeus]

If fashion on the shows reflects society then SNW is downright conservative in the way the females dress.

Go to any shopping mall…hell…go to a Target on the weekends and you will see women wearing shorts shorter than the mini-dresses from TOS and Yoga Pants or Blue Jeans and tank tops tighter than anything Jeri Ryan wore on Voyager.

I’m not saying SNW or Trek in general needs or should go that direction but it is something to keep in mind. That they COULD go that direction if they chose to in the same way they us 4K screens on the bridge and not old CRT screens.

also: why are there clothes in Star Trek anyway? Okay, they might make sense for away missions, but one would think the advancedenviromental conrtols of starships would render clothing unnecessary

 

[fireproof78]

also: why are there clothes in Star Trek anyway? Okay, they might make sense for away missions, but one would think the advancedenviromental conrtols of starships would render clothing unnecessary

I mean, no? Just ask my wife and I who never line up in terms of temperature and fight over the thermostat. Now do that for a crew of 400+.

 

[Sci]

If fashion on the shows reflects society then SNW is downright conservative in the way the females dress.

1) "Females?" Really?

2) It's not that SNW is "conservative" in the way women dress. It's that SNW is not sexualizing them. There are times when women characters dress in ways that are sexual when it's appropriate for their characters -- Christine's tight dress for her date in "Spock Amok," T'Pring in her underwear in the pilot and in a somewhat-revealing wedding dress in the dream sequence of "Spock Amok;" La'an wearing a very cleavagey dress as her princess character in that late S1 episode whose name I can't recall. But they're characters who aren't, y'know, going out to nightclubs trying to get laid all the time, so they don't dress sexually. That's neither conservative nor liberal.