Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[cooleddie74]

THIS IS THE WAY.

Wait, what?!?

 

[Sci]

and it doesn't acknowledge how hard everyone worked to make that makeup design functional onscreen.

Too bad they failed at making it functional then.

You have every right to that opinion about the DIS Klingon makeup, but it's still not a valid reason to be publicly disrespectful to your colleagues.

 

[T'Bonz]

Well, strangely enough I have not watched this weeks episode yet.

I think that I am having an early mid life crisis and I just do not know if I want to be a Star Trek fan or not anymore. I am just not feeling any excitement about Star Trek like I used to, I think that my fanhood has peaked with the end of Picard and now reached (over)saturation point.

If Strange New Worlds season 2 episode 1 is any good I may change my mind…. I’m going to try catch it during the week .

Do. I kind of felt the same way about Trek recently, but after watching this ep, I'm fired up again. At least about SNW.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Here's my own answer to that. Last I checked, nothing, and certainly not TOS fans, were preventing SNW showrunners from creating a *new* species that can be "monstrous... Cthulhu-like". Doing that might even be a hit with the fans. There's absolutely nothing about SNW's Gorn that requires them to be TOS Gorn last I checked. Nothing. They could have colored them orange, called them the cobrasaurs or whatever, and literally nothing would be different.

Then you'd have a Xindi situation where equally people complain 'why does nobody ever mention this race in TOS/TNG etc'.

 

[Finn]

Then you'd have a Xindi situation where equally people complain 'why does nobody ever mention this race in TOS/TNG etc'.

So?

 

[Paul755]

So for us TOS fans concerned with Gorn violations of canon, brace yourselves: https://trekmovie.com/2023/06/18/in...pocks-arc-klingon-design-gorn-canon-season-3/

This episode establishes the Gorn as a continuing big bad for the season, or maybe the series. So the question is: why the Gorn who have some tricky canon issues instead of using the opportunity to create your own whole new villain species?

Akiva Goldsman: Because for me, storytelling beats canon. And that may not be popular, but it’s the truth. So when they can go hand-in-hand, great. But when I was writing the pilot, I was looking for something that was just monstrous, that was Cthulhu-like. Something that was unthinking. Our shows are empathy generators and I wanted to have an element which was in relief of that. I wanted something that you couldn’t identify with, something that was utterly alien, something that was all appetite and instinct in ways that we couldn’t quite understand. And I also wanted to signal place and time in a way that personally I found interesting. So you should definitely blame me for this one.

Here's my own answer to that. Last I checked, nothing, and certainly not TOS fans, were preventing SNW showrunners from creating a *new* species that can be "monstrous... Cthulhu-like". Doing that might even be a hit with the fans. There's absolutely nothing about SNW's Gorn that requires them to be TOS Gorn last I checked. Nothing. They could have colored them orange, called them the cobrasaurs or whatever, and literally nothing would be different.

Reading all the quotes in this interview, it’s not really any thing different than what they’ve said before. It’s just now they seem to be answering in a more blunt “just deal with it” way than they have before. Which makes me think we are in for way more “canon violations”. Chief among them being Pike and Kirk having some kind of mentor/mentee relationship despite Kirk saying they had only met once briefly.

Then you'd have a Xindi situation where equally people complain 'why does nobody ever mention this race in TOS/TNG etc'.

Xindi and Suliban. In fact at least we’ve seen Xindi in Discovery. Outside of a picture of one on Mariners conspiracy board in LD S1, those guys have been totally absent.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

So?

So nothing. I just mean doing one doesn't stop the whining, it just means starting some different whining about something else.

I couldn't care less personally. Bring on the Gorn!

 

[Wingcommanderdarkwolf01]

We see the Xindi in Prodigy 1x14 Crossroads.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

We see the Xindi in Prodigy 1x14 Crossroads.

That's not the point.

 

[Jayson1]

Well, strangely enough I have not watched this weeks episode yet.

I think that I am having an early mid life crisis and I just do not know if I want to be a Star Trek fan or not anymore. I am just not feeling any excitement about Star Trek like I used to, I think that my fanhood has peaked with the end of Picard and now reached (over)saturation point.

If Strange New Worlds season 2 episode 1 is any good I may change my mind…. I’m going to try catch it during the week .

Don't quit but it is okay to take breaks. What your going through is common. Sometimes people just get burned out on something but then they find they are missing it after awhile and they are right back into it.

 

[Yistaan]

Then you'd have a Xindi situation where equally people complain 'why does nobody ever mention this race in TOS/TNG etc'.

They could have called them the Tzenkethi: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tzenkethi

 

[fireproof78]

Well, strangely enough I have not watched this weeks episode yet.

I think that I am having an early mid life crisis and I just do not know if I want to be a Star Trek fan or not anymore. I am just not feeling any excitement about Star Trek like I used to, I think that my fanhood has peaked with the end of Picard and now reached (over)saturation point.

If Strange New Worlds season 2 episode 1 is any good I may change my mind…. I’m going to try catch it during the week .

That's ok. Things change.

 

[Sci]

I've definitely had periods of greater and lesser interest in Star Trek. I was pretty alienated through most of the period from the end of DS9 to the start of ENT S4. I was a big fan of the books for the period of 2002-2014, and then a bit less from 2014-2017. I've been a fan of the new shows, so 2017-present is more active in my fandom. There's nothing wrong with your interest waxing and waning depending on the direction ST is going in.

 

[MikHutch]

Then you'd have a Xindi situation where equally people complain 'why does nobody ever mention this race in TOS/TNG etc'.

Which is why the prequel series should really focus more on established aliens instead of new ones.

 

[Finn]

Why?

 

[Mudd]

Which is why the prequel series should really focus more on established aliens instead of new ones.

Nope.

 

[Okmyx]

The series title implies first contacts with new aliens and new worlds... and strange ones at that!

 

[MikHutch]

Why?

Because then we'd get more worldbuilding and background information on species we already know. While shows based in the current era post-Picard could give us new species.

 

[MikHutch]

The series title implies first contacts with new aliens and new worlds... and strange ones at that!

True but IMO that title and concept would work better in an area and time period we're not already heavily familiar with. Remember how much Enterprise got bashed for introducing new aliens?

 

[Finn]

Because then we'd get more worldbuilding and background information on species we already know. While shows based in the current era post-Picard could give us new species.

Do we really want that? After what they did to the Borg and Klingons?

True but IMO that title and concept would work better in an area and time period we're not already heavily familiar with. Remember how much Enterprise got bashed for introducing new aliens?

Why?