Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[cooleddie74]

Gosh, Pikes little model of the Enterprise has some serious nacelle droop. Is there no hope for model kits even in the 23rd century?

The rebirth of Eaglemoss after World War III and First Contact had it's - shall we say - hiccups.

 

[NCC-73515]

It's the next version of the ship

 

[Turtletrekker]

                (r2 − r1)          (r2 − r1)
m1r1 = α____________   and m2r = α__________
                  |r1 − r2|3           |r1 − r2|3

if we employ Dr A.H. Thripshaw's formula for the deterministic value of entertainment proto-cromulence, we can see here that
α = Gm1m2 measures the strength in numitrons between the claimed value of viewership and the number of times per hour they get up to go to the bathroom, do something else, or switch to Mannix. This is an older formula, and since then all programs are logically assumed to be Mannix, whereas a theta intrusion into the mix would mean a reboot or reruns of Then Game Bronson or Manimal, which television scientists have worked repeatedly to prevent from occuring.

The α value may be substituted for Canukitroids north of the 49th parallel in the western hemisphere, where magnetic duractance and the transmitting power of the CN tower hold sway, however it should not be attempted in timezones east of Atlantic Standard Time as the volumetric constant would lead to sinusoidal deplenation and proof-negative that persons living Medicine Hat did not like, as was previously thought, reruns of Night Heat.

Or as they say in Yellow Knife, "Tᐦᐃᐢ ᐃᐢ ᖧ ᒧᐢᐟ Cᐊᓇdᐃᐊᐣ ᖨᐣg ᐁvᐁᕒ ᐤᕒᐃᐟᑌᐣ᙮ " But we have all been there, I daresay.

However a closer look at the equation reveals a problem. While Canadian broadcast values and the results of obsessive non-objective datamining may provide a value for r2, and thus a stable, elastic system with known parameters into the second progression, and this of course follows standard Newtonian, relativistic and Golden Globe nominee scientist Lee Marvin predicted results according to the respective theoretical work taken by the US Bureau of Standards during the Light Entertainment Conflict of 1947-1969. There were many mistakes made in this attempt along the way, some of them catastrophic resulting in the removal of the Dumont network in this and most other timelines, and the introduction of the Beverly Hillbillies as a comedy show and not the docu-drama that would have caused much needed societal change that cultminated in Max Baer's successful presidency 1976-1992 and the subsequent elimination of nuclear weapons and poverty.

While the formula can handle one show with relative ease, the addition of tie-ins and spin-offs creates a chaotic orbital pattern known alternately as the Three Body Problem or the Archie Bunker Universe where the predisposition of the viewership is inverse to the mental-intestinal discharge of ardent fans. This situation was barely avoided by Star Trek in the 90s by the staggering of series, but the current situation at Paramount Plus has left the current situation for chart-prognosticators and dowsing rod enthusiasts without hope or clue.

Amazing. I said the exact same thing just the other day.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Have you ever heard the terms "PR speak" or "Spin"?

Spin is what you do in every post you make. You are "Char 'The Tornado' Kais".

 

[antinoos]

This is heartbreaking. I hadn't heard about it. It apparently happened after the filming of the 1st season and before the start of the production of the 2nd one.

https://www.talkhouse.com/an-actor-...-boldly-going-where-no-widow-has-gone-before/

 

[valden]

Not the ones that cost over $8 million per episode to produce, they don't.No corporation will continue to take THAT massive a bath on something that doesn't generate a reasonable level of revenue. They don't do sunk cost fallacy, either. None of these are viable business models. And since we don't know any REAL numbers of how any Trek shows are doing on P+ (despite some specious Canadian charts that may indicate the contrary - but really don't) please call this exactly what it is, which is personal conjecture of opinion under the pretense of fact.

You already sort of confirmed what I said about discovery. The first season cost 8 million per episode. Hence why i mentioned the movie quality vibe of the show. Doubt they spend that kind of money now on the show. The movie vibe quality dropped by season 3.

 

[valden]

^^^
Yeah, no. Patrick Stewart was virtually UNKNOWN in the U.S. in 1987 by general audiences. Genre audiences knew him from his cameo role of Gurney Halleck in 1984's DUNE film adaptation; and maybe a subset of U.S. PBS viewers knew him from "I Claudius"; but the latter was what he was most known for at the time, even un the U.K. 'Picard' was the role that upped his stature from B list to minor A list; although is was his role a Professor X in the FOX X-Men films that really made him a 'known' actor.

As for Levar Burton, again, in 1987, he was also B-list as Roots was a decade ago on TV at that point and his acting career was still somewhat low key. That's not a put down by the way as the man is really intelligent and made the most of what fame he got - and he should be absolutely applauded for what he did with his Reading Rainbow series.

But yeah, in the end TNG launched with mostly B list main talent (and at the time, Levar Burton was seen by some as 'stunt casting' BECAUSE some Entertainment News outlets would in fact play up his Roots connection.)



TNG also had the advantage of being the first live action revival of Star Trek on weekly TV in 18 years. And there were many Star Trek fans really desperate at the time for it to succeed because they knew if it failed, Star Trek was dead, and wouldn't see future revivals. Many watched it IN SPITE of the TERRIBLE writing of its first season, not because of it.


Funny, most entertainment outlet critics and fans praise the writing of SNW's first season. And given that SNW is the 8th live action Star Trek series (I'm not counting TAS, LD, or Prodigy here); that fact that both fans and the general audiences have responded so well (shown by the fact that Paramount+'s subscriber base is increasing while many others including NETFLIX are LOSING subscribers and slashing their new production slates.)

No the writing is not all that acclaimed. It is not emmy worthy enough. Heck even shows like wandavision and mandolran were emmy worthy enough. Snw is not. The writing at best had been called safe but fun and a fresh break from discovery but discovery set a low bar. No one had said it was as good as the expanse because it is not. No one had called it intellectual science fiction either. Which is how great star trek is defined. Snw accliam is more cw kind of accliam. If u read some reviews the acting has been called weak also. Are we even going to start with Paul Wesley. Even the paramount plus good pr could not contain the poor reception of Wesley kirk. Snw acting is no better call Saul. As for Stewart he was pretty well known in the inner Hollywood circles because he had established himself in theatre

 

[Noname Given]

No the writing is not all that acclaimed. It is not emmy worthy enough. Heck even shows like wandavision and mandolran were emmy worthy enough. Snw is not. The writing at best had been called safe but fun and a fresh break from discovery but discovery set a low bar. No one had said it was as good as the expanse because it is not. No one had called it intellectual science fiction either. Which is how great star trek is defined. Snw accliam is more cw kind of accliam. If u read some reviews the acting has been called weak also. Are we even going to start with Paul Wesley. Even the paramount plus good pr could not contain the poor reception of Wesley kirk. Snw acting is no better call Saul. As for Stewart he was pretty well known in the inner Hollywood circles because he had established himself in theatre

Um...you do realize NO EPISODE of TNG was ever nominated for an Emmy in the writing category. As fort the rest of your nonsense post...

 

[valden]

Um...you do realize NO EPISODE of TNG was ever nominated for an Emmy in the writing category. As fort the rest of your nonsense post...

The difference is that back then many said tnd was always worthy but the emmy snub Sci fi stuff however tng got a nomination in the end. The emmys have become more inclusive with different genre in 2020 so this is a different time to tng. Snw writing is still very basic and still has the kurtzman generic story telling to make it score emmys. Compared to a series like wandavision that had some creative ideas and thematically depth. Snw is still too surface level to be worthy of emmys

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The difference is that back then many said tnd was always worthy but the emmy snub Sci fi stuff however tng got a nomination in the end.

Who said that and was it for the inner light or that episode where picard goes looking for his horse saddle and has a cat fight with a woman in ten forward?

 

[donners22]

The difference is that back then many said tnd was always worthy but the emmy snub Sci fi stuff however tng got a nomination in the end. The emmys have become more inclusive with different genre in 2020 so this is a different time to tng.

A very selective snub, given Quantum Leap was nominated for Outstanding Drama Series in 1990, 1991 and 1992 (not to mention other main categories such as best actor). The X Files also got plenty of nominations in the mid-90s, unlike other Trek series.

I don't think anyone would reasonably suggest the likes of Voyager or Enterprise were remotely in the Outstanding Drama Series category, nor was there ever much buzz about DS9. It's a strange criticism of SNW that it hasn't reached heights which most of Trek never reached.


Anyway, I can't believe this has gone on for pages. Is the show a breakout hit? No. Nor has Trek had one since TNG, aside perhaps from the Kelvin films for a brief period. Is it doing well enough to keep going for the foreseeable future? Yes. Who cares beyond that? This is just a thinly veiled back-and-forth of "I like this show" vs "I don't like this show".

 

[Campe]

Stop using logic and actual facts, guys. You’re ruining valden’s argument!

 

[fireproof78]

Is the show a breakout hit?

Nope. Who cares? I don't like Trek because it's popular.

 

[cooleddie74]

TOS never topped 52nd in the year-end Nielsens and ENT was one of network television's lowest-rated series for much of its broadcast run. Never stops me from enjoying them.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

The difference is that back then many said tnd was always worthy but the emmy snub Sci fi stuff however tng got a nomination in the end. The emmys have become more inclusive with different genre in 2020 so this is a different time to tng. Snw writing is still very basic and still has the kurtzman generic story telling to make it score emmys. Compared to a series like wandavision that had some creative ideas and thematically depth. Snw is still too surface level to be worthy of emmys

Do you realize how tiresome it is to read your repetitive dead-horse beating. Do you see anyone cheering you on for your wordy BS? Give it a break, dude.

 

[Tuskin38]

You already sort of confirmed what I said about discovery. The first season cost 8 million per episode. Hence why i mentioned the movie quality vibe of the show. Doubt they spend that kind of money now on the show. The movie vibe quality dropped by season 3.

No one from production has said if the budget has gone up or down.

 

[valden]

Do you realize how tiresome it is to read your repetitive dead-horse beating. Do you see anyone cheering you on for your wordy BS? Give it a break, dude.

No one from production has said if the budget has gone up or down.

My gosh, no one has to come out and say so. sometimes you can notice when a show's budget declined as a casual viewer. I notice discovery quality dropped in season 4 and among the many criticism of Picard season 2. one happened to be the quality of the show was not on par in season 1. it is not a star trek thing, it is a tv thing in general.

 

[HotRod]

My gosh, no one has to come out and say so. sometimes you can notice when a show's budget declined as a casual viewer. I notice discovery quality dropped in season 4 and among the many criticism of Picard season 2. one happened to be the quality of the show was not on par in season 1. it is not a star trek thing, it is a tv thing in general.

What's it like being so absolutely miserable, that the mods have to call you out on it? Not on a violation of rules, just on being an absolutely miserable person, who does nothing but try and bring others down to your level. Apologies if this earns me any kinda warning, but it's getting tiresome.

 

[UssGlenn]

A very selective snub, given Quantum Leap was nominated for Outstanding Drama Series in 1990, 1991 and 1992 (not to mention other main categories such as best actor). The X Files also got plenty of nominations in the mid-90s, unlike other Trek series.

Being syndicated probably hurt TNG more than being Sci-fi.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Being syndicated probably hurt TNG more than being Sci-fi.

Also being a space-based drama. QL and X-FILES were more grounded in the world we're familiar with.