Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Noname Given]

I mean, how many times has Kurtzman been fired now? How many times have Discovery and Picard been canceled? And yet they all continue on.
Why?

As the mastermind villain of another sci-fi/fantasy franchise might say:

“Unlimited… POWER!!!”

Alex Kurtzman’s a Sith Lord. It’s the only logical solution.

Well to be fair Star Trek Picard is canceled after season 3. Not due to low viewer response or anything like that; more because Patrick Stewart signed for just three seasons, and that's all he wanted to do.

 

[Donald G]

Let's see: What's most popular on Canadian broadcast television?

The Amazing Race (Canadian edition), Big Brother, News, Sports programming, and Jeopardy.
So-called "reality shows," game shows, and sports consistently rank higher with the masses than an imported streaming science fiction show with a long pedigree and niche appeal.

Same as it ever was in Newton Minow's "vast wasteland."

I haven't been a fan of Star Trek for fifty years because it has widespread mass appeal.
I'm a fan because it appeals to me - which is the only audience whose judgement and approval I take into consideration.

I grew up with most of the shows I enjoyed getting cancelled before their initial thirteen week commitment was up while shows that I despised on an artistic, dramatic, and creative level continued for years and years.

The metrics for success for a streaming program are different than for an OTA broadcast program - and presumably easier to meet, just as the metrics for success for a nationally syndicated program like TNG or DS9 were easier to meet than a network program 30-odd years ago.

Hell, the audience shares many of today's popular broadcast programs receive today would've gotten them cancelled forty years ago.

We don't have the real numbers, or the context, or the internal benchmarks Paramount+ is using to guide their decisions, and the Canadian market alone is not sufficient to make an accurate assessment of trends in all markets where SNW is available for viewing.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

The reason why I bring up Canadian viewership numbers when I talk about the popularity of NuTrek shows:

The reason you pile on this laundry list of meaningless statistics is to support yoiur PERSONAL BIAS that Discovery, Picard, SNW, et al are failures. The certainly are not or Paramount would not be funding their continuation. Mark Twain spoke of "Lies, damned lies and statistics." He was talking about you.

 

[DaveyNY]

I think

I THINK ... you enjoy bashing Trek shows you don't like and have somewhat of a misguided expectation that you can convince others to agree with you.

I THINK ... you should take a serious look at finding something better and more constructive to do with your time.

 

[Ovation]

Canadians have two ways of watching Trek. On CTV Sci-Fi Channel (a paid cable channel) AND on CRAVE (a Canadian only streaming service that offers a combination of HBO titles, current titles broadcast on various CTV channels, and the usual mix of movies and older TV shows). Bell Media owns all CTV channels (five or six, IIRC, possibly a few more) and CRAVE. Despite the availability of “Neilson-like” ratings, the picture is incomplete and the provided chart is less revealing than it appears at first glance about Canadian viewership, let alone as a useful tool to extrapolate non-Canadian viewership.

 

[Campe]

Well to be fair Star Trek Picard is canceled after season 3. Not due to low viewer response or anything like that; more because Patrick Stewart signed for just three seasons, and that's all he wanted to do.

According to some, it was canceled before season 1.

But a point taken.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The Star Trek Strange New Worlds season 1 final episode "A Quality of Mercy" (1x10 S01E10) had 440k viewers in Canada.

This is the all-time lowest confirmed viewership for any live-action NuTrek show.

For comparison:

• DIS 1x10 1,211k
• PIC 1x10 1,381k

The Star Trek Strange New Worlds season 1 final had fewer viewers than the Star Trek Lower Decks premier (527k)

Don't listen to all these hosers telling you that Canadian ratings aren't what it's all aboot, Chaka Khan. They're just crying over spilt milk bags, eh. They're still envious about Celine Dion and Nickleback. Soary, ya knobs, but like the imported maple syrup coating your arteries, this is the slow but inevitable kiss of death for Strange New Worlds. We shall burn down streaming Trek like we burned down your White House.

 

[Skywalker]

They wouldn't keep renewing the shows if they're doing as bad as Numbers Man thinks.

No, they keep spending millions of dollars on these productions because Kurtzman has blackmail material on them!

 

[Tuskin38]

No, they keep spending millions of dollars on these productions because Kurtzman has blackmail material on them!

Shh, don't say it so loudly, it's a secret!

 

[The Habs Fan]

440k viewers in Canada is the equivalent of 4.4 million in the US. Not bad considering it’s also on Crave (bell’s streaming service) the same day without commercials

the only reason you are posting the Numeris ratings is because it’s the only thing that seems to “support” your argument now. You used to post the trending numbers and top 10 but I wonder why you don’t anymore…

 

[The Wormhole]

Canadians have two ways of watching Trek. On CTV Sci-Fi Channel (a paid cable channel) AND on CRAVE (a Canadian only streaming service that offers a combination of HBO titles, current titles broadcast on various CTV channels, and the usual mix of movies and older TV shows). Bell Media owns all CTV channels (five or six, IIRC, possibly a few more) and CRAVE. Despite the availability of “Neilson-like” ratings, the picture is incomplete and the provided chart is less revealing than it appears at first glance about Canadian viewership, let alone as a useful tool to extrapolate non-Canadian viewership.

440k viewers in Canada is the equivalent of 4.4 million in the US. Not bad considering it’s also on Crave (bell’s streaming service) the same day without commercials

Hell, it's available on Crave a full twelve hours before it airs on CTV Sci-Fi, so their broadcast night numbers really can't be used as a measure of this show's popularity.

 

[Tuskin38]

Kirk is a Lieutenant on the Farragut
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1550951290183634945

Anson Mount loves the hair memes
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1550952056537563136

"We're not rewriting canon, we're deepening it" in regards to M'Benga being CMO.
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1550952888737746944

 

[fireproof78]

"We're not rewriting canon, we're deepening it" in regards to M'Benga being CMO.

So much the better.

 

[cooleddie74]

When your entire canon history pre-SNW is "black Doctor in two episodes of TOS with an African name" there's really no canon to rewrite. Go for it.

 

[Danja]

Anson is loving the memes about Pike's hair :

https://twitter.com/TheTrekCentral/status/1550952731371880454?s=19


Pike's hair has now been immortalized in cupcakes:

https://twitter.com/OnceUponLA/status/1543652542554329088?s=19

 

[Nerys Myk]

Shh, don't say it so loudly, it's a secret!

Only spoken of at the hideout.

 

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[Uhura's Song]

The reason why I bring up Canadian viewership numbers when I talk about the popularity of NuTrek shows:

1) These are actual viewership numbers. Not rankings or what is "trending".

2) The numbers are for current episodes. The only US viewership numbers (Nielsen) that exist are for Discovery season 1 when CBS decided to broadcast it in late 2020.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtmhIheXIAEKRDv?format=png&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtmhIlWWQAAvUb1?format=png&name=orig

3) The viewership numbers are from a reputable source. Numeris is the main Canadian audience measurement organization. It's the Nielsen of Canada.

4) You can cross-compare shows from different broadcasters. The Numeris Top 30 is an overview of the entire broadcast landscape and you can directly compare shows.
How do you compare a show on rank 1-10 on Paramount vs rank 1-10 on Netflix/Disney/Amazon without knowing the metric behind it.
You can compare shows from the same streaming service but not cross-compare.
The only service where you can compare shows across streaming providers is "Nielsen Streaming Content Ratings" (Amazon, Disney, Hulu, Netflix, and Apple are working with Nielson, Paramount is not) or "Samba TV" but they don't release a ranking to the public for free.

5) There is a strong correlation in search volume for NuTrek shows in the U.S. and Canada. Both short-term and long-term.

US/CA Web 12 months:

US/CA Web 5y:

I think Canadian viewership numbers are a good proxy for the viewership numbers in the U.S.

Business Insider does it every month (though I can't seem to find June), and SNW was kicking ass, both in demand above average and RT score.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Considering Char's charts and stuff showing nuTrek is such a failure, it's might weird they keep making so much more of it. Must be some kind of charity operation.

I guess that makes it an absolute win for those of us who like it

 

[The Wormhole]

Considering Char's charts and stuff showing nuTrek is such a failure, it's might weird they keep making so much more of it. Must be some kind of charity operation.

I guess that makes it an absolute win for those of us who like it

It is of course an elaborate mater plan so that one day they will have so much crap, they can sit Kurtzman down and say "look what you did! This is disgraceful! You're fired. For real and permanently this time!" and Kurtzman for once won't be able to argue and will have no choice but to lower his head in shame and apologize to the Fandom whilst crying.

Basic facts, really.

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