Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

5 is the weakest of the TOS movies, but I still quite like it. Nemesis is almost unwatchable to me.

 

5 is terrible, as a movie. I've never made it all the way through except the first time (of two). Nemesis is a little better on second viewing, but not good.

 

I blame the Shat Man for this. When he found out their was a sexy hunky Enterprise Captain hanging out with Spock and getting love he turned to his Canadian roots and pulled some strings to make those ratings tank!

 

Now that's a theory that actually makes sense!

 

As long as you don't turn in to a ghoul and hunger for brains.

 

What am I, a Mod?

 

You been here long enough you're practically a BBS institution.

 

it’s the weakest for sure. But the Kirk/Spock/Bones dynamic is the best of the movie series. Seems like the one aspect Shatner really got.

 

The reason why I bring up Canadian viewership numbers when I talk about the popularity of NuTrek shows:

1) These are actual viewership numbers. Not rankings or what is "trending".

2) The numbers are for current episodes. The only US viewership numbers (Nielsen) that exist are for Discovery season 1 when CBS decided to broadcast it in late 2020.
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3) The viewership numbers are from a reputable source. Numeris is the main Canadian audience measurement organization. It's the Nielsen of Canada.

4) You can cross-compare shows from different broadcasters. The Numeris Top 30 is an overview of the entire broadcast landscape and you can directly compare shows.
How do you compare a show on rank 1-10 on Paramount vs rank 1-10 on Netflix/Disney/Amazon without knowing the metric behind it.
You can compare shows from the same streaming service but not cross-compare.
The only service where you can compare shows across streaming providers is "Nielsen Streaming Content Ratings" (Amazon, Disney, Hulu, Netflix, and Apple are working with Nielson, Paramount is not) or "Samba TV" but they don't release a ranking to the public for free.

5) There is a strong correlation in search volume for NuTrek shows in the U.S. and Canada. Both short-term and long-term.

US/CA Web 12 months:



US/CA Web 5y:



I think Canadian viewership numbers are a good proxy for the viewership numbers in the U.S.

 

You think wrong.

 

Let’s presume that’s true, what’s your endgame? If it’s to show that it’s not as popular as other streamers’ franchises? Doesn’t matter. As has been said time and again, Paramount has their internal metrics that they utilize to decide if it’s popular enough.

You also say trending shouldn’t matter but isn’t trending exactly what your charts are showing on your point 5?

And if there is a correlation between U.S. and Canadian search trends that may or may not connect between viewership numbers, remember that while Canada has a population of 38.01 million viewers, the United States population is 329.5 million. Canada also has a smaller population that California.

Not to mention that Paramount+ is now available in seven countries directly as its own service (including Canada) and in five other countries through third party providers.

So, no. Viewership in one country, even the United States, isn’t the only thing that matters. Star Trek is a global property and has been said time and again, the only metrics that matter are the ones that Paramount is looking at internally and they’re not releasing to the masses. And those metrics are good enough for them to keep producing more Star Trek.

Personally, that’s good enough for me. And if the numbers weren’t good enough? And Star Trek took another hiatus? I think I’d find a way to survive.

 

I went without new Star Trek on the small screen for over 12 years. I managed. We'd manage again.

#Yawn

 

There are 853 episodes of Star Trek and 13 movies. If one wanted to watch one Trek adventure again a week and not repeat, it would take well over 16 years. Not to mention having hundreds of thousands of hours of other entertainment and spending time with family and friends, finding a hobby, etc., etc., etc.

 

No you take one insignificant data point and extrapolate on it to ridiculous proportions. It's also a data point that has very little effect on weather Paramount Plus decides to renew the series for a third season.

 

They wouldn't keep renewing the shows if they're doing as bad as Numbers Man thinks.

 

Shhh!

"It's a conspiracy!" always covers the missing connections and reasoning. Somehow.

 

This. Also, I never had the luxury of being a Trek fan and being popular. Somehow, inexplicably, my life went on.

 

I mean, how many times has Kurtzman been fired now? How many times have Discovery and Picard been canceled? And yet they all continue on.

Why?

As the mastermind villain of another sci-fi/fantasy franchise might say:

“Unlimited… POWER!!!”

Alex Kurtzman’s a Sith Lord. It’s the only logical solution.

 

Even Justin Trudeau doesn't care about Canadian internal numbers this much.

 

Well to be fair Star Trek Picard is canceled after season 3. Not due to low viewer response or anything like that; more because Patrick Stewart signed for just three seasons, and that's all he wanted to do.