A lot of the Trek series I've loved had mediocre if now downright dismal ratings. Didn't affect me in the slightest when it came to watching and enjoying the shows.
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Those are all massive publicly traded companies with varying degrees of significant political influence, and countless people have an interest in their streaming performance. There's a whole niche of analytics firms attempting to assess such. "None of your business!! Shhh!" That does seem to be the tenor of the Secret Hideout sections of this message board.
Financial analysts and investors always want access to the proprietary data of publicly traded companies. You're pretending this isn''t a commonplace that we all know?
Believing - or pretending - that he had a right to that sort of thing is about to cost Elon Musk a lot of money. And he had an actual business interest. Here, people are just flailing for excuses to criticize a TV show they don't happen to like.
So yeah, you have no right to expect them to share their numbers, and most don't.
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There’s also internal metrics that streaming services look at. At the end of the day, that’s all that matters to whether or not a show is renewed or not. As every current Trek series will get at least one more season, they are clearly reaching those metrics.
It is interesting how the supplied chart shows SNW going from NOT in the top 30 to being in the top 20 halfway through the season, and finishing there also.
To most folks that indicates that its popularity is growing not shrinking or staying stagnant.
One would suppose that that, would make Paramount+ very happy.
To most folks that indicates that its popularity is growing not shrinking or staying stagnant.
One would suppose that that, would make Paramount+ very happy.
Yes, those metrics are all that matter to them from a business POV, and they share that data only with those they choose - someone wanting to put a TV show down on the Internet doesn't qualify as "need to know."
Yes, those metrics are all that matter to them from a business POV, and they share that data only with those they choose - someone wanting to put a TV show down on the Internet doesn't qualify as "need to know."
You’re suggesting entitled fanboys who demand this information won’t get it? Perish the thought! PERISH IT!
I want a show to entertain me and make my life more fun. I could care less if it's 123rd in the ratings and fourth in its category.
That's wrong.
Amazon, Disney, Hulu, Netflix, Apple, and HBO, are cooperating with Nielsen and sending their data to them.
Who is missing? Paramount.
It's not my fault that Paramount is hiding their numbers.
https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/top-ten/
And Netflix releases its own weekly charts with "hours viewed".
https://top10.netflix.com/
Because Paramount is not releasing their numbers, you need to do some correlation yourself:
In the Nielsen charts from June 13-19, 2022, Obi-Wan Kenobi is on rank 4 (733 million hours viewed) and Ms. Marvel dropped out of the Top 10 (249 million hours viewed the previous week).
Streamers keep their ratings data highly secretive, and I wouldn't trust third-party reporting of them... even if the streamers send it to them. Having worked in Silicon Valley, I know how numbers are fudged to make your product/service seem much more successful than it might actually be.
I also have several friends in Hollywood (my wolf pack of fellow screenwriters, producers, and directors) and they've all told me the same thing.
Also this lack of transparency is what's on the table for several Hollywood guilds, including my future guild of the WGA, in upcoming negotiations. That reporting is necessary to decide residuals and other backend payments.
I was thinking that maybe shareholders might have a right to see the real numbers, but in looking at the CBS/Paramount financials available on their site, they are unfortunately only required to report their itemized dollar figures and nothing to do with their show ratings. <grumble>
This is a legitmate need-to-know.
Just entertain me and make the experience worthwhile. I'm not a studio exec or a shareholder so the internal numbers mean little or even nothing to me.
Pretty interesting conversation with Henry Alonso Myers.
If you don't do podcasts - I almost never do - here's a transcript.
If you don't do podcasts - I almost never do - here's a transcript.
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I figure if they keep making something for an extended period of time, then it is meeting whatever metrics the producer/IP holder have for it. If they close up shop after a season or two (outside certain intended exceptions) then it didn’t meet those metrics.
But...but...if the ratings/metrics are LOW and I don't like it....that proves my opinion is objectively correct...and I can win tEh ArgUmEnTZ!
No??
I'm the guy who liked TFF and NEM...so clearly I'm not impacted by numbers or popularity.
TFF and NEM had their interesting moments. Not on par with others, obviously, but not absolute shit, either.
As a hardcore TOS era fan - nope, sorry, for me STV:TFF was absolute shit, front to back.
But it had that REALLY COOL marshmelon dispenser!
