Who is this "we" you keep speaking of?
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First, you don’t need to put in a whole row of spaces. It makes it flipping obnoxious to quote you. The enter button works wonders.
Second, Quinto and Peck have different acting styles. One is also a movie and the other is on a streaming service series. Quinto had more full arcs in his movies and was designed to be more emotionally compromised as the series went on. On Disco, Peck was a guest actor and was We’ve seen him in SNW for an hour.
But you’ve already decided you’re going to hate this show so I’m not sure why I’m arguing with you at this point.
Never mind Pike's hair... WTF is going on with Spock's sideburns?
Noting wrong in calling for better acting
Fans reactions to the clip
Wow, I see what you mean! The video has ONE negative comment on YouTube that sounds eerily similar to your own!
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Which fans?
I love this idea that angry Spock was somehow an invention of newer TrekYet.
Top. Men.
Sorry I'm looking at those reactions, and in your posts I think you need to change 'we' to 'me' (IE Yourself) in your posts. You seem to think that your posts speak for everyone and not just yourself. You're definitely entitled to your own opinion, but I don't think you can speak for others opinions effectively.
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All these comparisons and talk of who is better or not is a pointless waste of time. They're different characters with different backgrounds in different universes played by different actors in different media (TV vs. Film) with different writers and directors determining their dialogue and behavior onscreen.
All that matters is if the new actors portray the characters effectively, and from what I have seen of Gooding and Peck and Mount (the latter two having an early start on Discovery) they've done an outstanding job making these iconic characters their own.
Where are you getting "aggressive and dominating" from in a secondhand description of an interaction we didn't see and was playfully described by Uhura as "flirting" and apparently so insignificant that it wasn't even on Spock's radar as flirting or an aggressive / dominating encounter or much of anything for that matter? I get that he would be clueless about recognizing non-Vulcan "query/response" style flirting, but I'm pretty sure he'd recognize someone being aggressive toward him.
You seem to be reaching for things to complain about without basis. Which is ironic since you were saying we can't trust the nearly universal positive reviews so far because we have to wait for the early "hype to die down", implying that those reviews aren't genuine somehow and that your position is the true stance of the audience.
You realize this quality of acting is subjective and not something you can just assert and have it be true?
How do you know the scene is supposed to make us laugh? How do you know what 'we' did, exactly? Seems to me that the Uhura is trying to make light of a situation, not necessarily make the audience laugh. And that's my opinion--note that I'm not claiming what 'we' think. It would be easier to have these conversations without things being asserted as something 'we' are thinking, no?
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totally agree, in the brief time we’ve had both I thought Quinto looks and sounds more like Nimoy. He has that same kind of sort of alien look. Peck is too pretty.
Peck has the deeper voice that reminds me more of Nimoy. Quinto looks a little more like him. Both are good in their own ways but I think Peck embodies the TOS Era Spock more than Quinto has.
I'll take your word for it. Prettiness is not a part of my evaluation.
I don't want someone to do a Nimoy impression. We already had the best Nimoy take on Spock, by Nimoy himself. The actors should try and put their own spin on the character. Obviously that doesn't mean acting completely out of character; they should follow the basic parameters established for Spock's (or other's) behavior, but they shouldn't feel locked-in to doing everything exactly the way Nimoy did. I want to see their interpretation of the character. Everyone acting the same is boring.
When the actor shows up playing Kirk next season, do we really want him doing a bunch of dramatic pauses for effect or do we want him to do his own thing? Save the impressions for the comedians, let the actors inhabit the role and make it their own and give us a new and interesting take on the character(s).
It's not an impression. It was just the character's bearing.
Peck is too new to say yay or nay.
The ears help. Peck's ears in DISCO where too large, almost elf-like. In SNW, they're more like Nimoy's pair in TOS where it's curved forward.
I can't say I agree.
To some extent, this is an apples and oranges comparison. Quinto plays Spock much more broadly, more arch, in the Kelvin films, because those are big blockbuster movies that have about two hours to hit all their big emotional highlights, so Quinto has to play his character more broadly, with all his emotions just beneath the surface, with bigger emotional highs. Peck, by contrast, is playing Spock on a TV series with semi-serialized character (not plot) arcs, so his Spock can be a little more nuanced, have his emotions be a little less just beneath the surface, and have less overt emotional highs.
It's next to impossible to compare Saldana's and Gooding's versions of Uhura, because we've barely seen Gooding. The most I think we can say is that Saldana was very concerned with establishing Uhura as an assertive , confident woman who is balancing being in a relationship, fulfilling her duties, and fending off unwanted sexual advances, and she brought a lot of her public persona to the role. Gooding by contrast is playing a version of Uhura who is a bit less sure of herself, trying to prove herself, and Gooding is also making more of an effort to replicate some of the mannerisms of Nichelle Nichols.
*shrugs* They both seem very commanding and authoritative to me.
... you are reading a lot of things into that scene that are simply not present. But suffice it to say that 1) Uhura did not actually think Chapel was Spock's girlfriend (she was teasing him); that there is nothing wrong with a confident woman flirting with someone as long as she is not sexually harassing them; and that the entire idea of calling a grown woman's unrequited feelings for another adult "sweet and innocent" has a lot of misogynistic ideas associated with it whether you intend that or not.
I see no evidence of this.
I completely disagree. If anything, I thought that he and Gia Sandhu played Spock and T'Pring with too much overt tenderness and affection.
I think the difference here is that Peck put more of the tenderness with T'Pring in his facial expressions whereas Quinto tended to play the tenderness of his scenes with Uhura in his vocal inflections. They're just different acting choices; neither one is better than the other. I personally think they both overplayed the emotions of those scenes just a tad bit, actually, but I also think that's a subjective evaluation.
Yes, part of the point of the scene is that Uhura is awkward and not sure how to bond with Spock yet. She makes a joke and it does not land, for Spock or for the audience. That is the intent. Still doesn't mean she actually thought Chapel was Spock's girlfriend.
I mean, if you laughed, great, but I only thought that was cute not funny. I smiled; I didn't laugh.
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We demand that they have actor James Hong in this series as a guest. He auditioned for Sulu the same day as Takei and he is now 93 years old. He got his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame today -- the oldest person so honored. He still acts and has a staggering 453 acting credits and he never got even a guest shot on any Trek show?? His first acting job in Hollywood was in 1954. I'm not Asian but the fact that He and the late James Shigeta never have appeared on Trek is a crime.
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