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The one is set in the 12th century England, the other one is set in the 12th century England. The former has as main character Robin Hood, who is a hero who steals from the rich to give to the poor. On the other side, the latter has as main character Robin Hood, who is a hero who steals from the rich to give to the poor.
Sounds like they'd find that they have a lot in common, if they ever made an epic multiverse Robin Hood crossover movie, but it's not really the same thing.
The one is set in the 12th century England, the other one is set in the 12th century England. The former has as main character Robin Hood, who is a hero who steals from the rich to give to the poor. On the other side, the latter has as main character Robin Hood, who is a hero who steals from the rich to give to the poor.
Which doesn't make them the same character. It means they're telling the same story.
So, like Star Trek?
But we've been getting canon Prime continuity the last 5 years. 4 shows of it, soon 5.
All three Pikes are canon. Hunter and Mount are considered to be in the Prime timeline.
Is this consistent in every respect? No. Has Trek ever been? No.
I always find it funny that the fans that follow what the producers say about the Kurtzman era live action shows being “prime” seem to get so angry at the people who consider the shows in an alternate universe.
like, why does anyone care so much how someone else enjoys the show. It always comes off to me as “the producers say it’s prime, so it’s prime. Now shut up about it or just don’t watch”.
like, why does anyone care so much how someone else enjoys the show. It always comes off to me as “the producers say it’s prime, so it’s prime. Now shut up about it or just don’t watch”.
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It's Prime, continuity and canon. None of which are about exactly duplicating the look and style of an earlier version of the franchise.
Pleasepleaseplease give us an appearance by Captain Ron Tracey in this series! Who looks enough like Morgan Woodward to pull it off?
Because it feels, intentional or not, like a dig at CBS and the showrunners intentions. It's like watching a show and looking for mistakes.
Not saying it is accurate at all but it's more how it comes across in discussion. "This show is in an alternate universe." "No it's not" and an argument ensues. Instead of discussing the actual merits of the show as a unit of entertainment it is basically discussing studio politics and personal perception. And, for me, that's less enjoyable than saying what works and doesn't work in a story.
If the producers wanted fans to judge the series purely on what works in a story then they would've set it 70 years after Picard with Captain Smith on the Starship Intrepid. Instead they're in the TOS era with the TOS ship and half the TOS crew, five years away from potentially steamrolling over TOS continuity, so it's going to hit a lot of people's nerves and trigger strong reactions.
As I like to joke, the current stuff is Prime, it's TOS that's not.
The Prime Timeline is one in which Spock has "secret" siblings and at some point, Spock looked like 58'year old Leonard Nimoy, one in which the "monster maroons" were worn, and one in which STAR TREK V, VI and TNG "Unification" definitely happened in.
TOS, as we experienced it audiovisually for decades, exists in a bubble outside - or perhaps within or underneath - the Prime Timeline. The uniforms, sets, and technical starship measurements that we've long accepted but were never established in on-screen dialogue are true here, but not necessarily "true" in Prime. The same events generally occurred (unless established otherwise in a current Prime Timeline production), but not the specific way we audiovisually perceived those events.
I could get all MAGoldingesque and posit a detailed system of "Parallels" style quantum realities, but I'll simplify my position thusly: For all practical purposes, the so-called Prime Timeline is all STAR TREK series and films (minus the Kelvin-Timeline ones, of course) since 1982's THE WRATH OF KHAN.
TOS, TAS, and arguably, TMP - what I used to refer to as the ur-Timeline, but instead now refer to as the Proto-Timeline - is, as I stated above, a bubble of its own, consisting of Star Trek as we understood it before various retcons (or "historical clarifications," if you will) introduced by subsequent series and films and temporal incursions. In the Proto-Timeline, Zephram Cochrane is from Alpha Centauri, not an Earthman who moved there later, and the Federation is "a thousand planets and growing" and Gamma Hydra IV is along the Romulan Neutral Zone (not Klingon) and it's the Romulans who don't take prisoners, whereas in the Prime Timeline post-1982, these things are not true . . . or true in the same way.
The Prime Timeline is one in which Spock has "secret" siblings and at some point, Spock looked like 58'year old Leonard Nimoy, one in which the "monster maroons" were worn, and one in which STAR TREK V, VI and TNG "Unification" definitely happened in.
TOS, as we experienced it audiovisually for decades, exists in a bubble outside - or perhaps within or underneath - the Prime Timeline. The uniforms, sets, and technical starship measurements that we've long accepted but were never established in on-screen dialogue are true here, but not necessarily "true" in Prime. The same events generally occurred (unless established otherwise in a current Prime Timeline production), but not the specific way we audiovisually perceived those events.
I could get all MAGoldingesque and posit a detailed system of "Parallels" style quantum realities, but I'll simplify my position thusly: For all practical purposes, the so-called Prime Timeline is all STAR TREK series and films (minus the Kelvin-Timeline ones, of course) since 1982's THE WRATH OF KHAN.
TOS, TAS, and arguably, TMP - what I used to refer to as the ur-Timeline, but instead now refer to as the Proto-Timeline - is, as I stated above, a bubble of its own, consisting of Star Trek as we understood it before various retcons (or "historical clarifications," if you will) introduced by subsequent series and films and temporal incursions. In the Proto-Timeline, Zephram Cochrane is from Alpha Centauri, not an Earthman who moved there later, and the Federation is "a thousand planets and growing" and Gamma Hydra IV is along the Romulan Neutral Zone (not Klingon) and it's the Romulans who don't take prisoners, whereas in the Prime Timeline post-1982, these things are not true . . . or true in the same way.
We know PIke's ultimate fate of disfigurement and paralysis. Does anyone suspect the producers might change that or ignore it if the series is a top streamer for many seasons? I feel they might be sorely tempted. Mount oozes charisma. I'm sure the transition to a new Captain will be well handled, and there won't be a dry eye in anyone's home when it happens.
I wouldn't change a lick of it. There are plenty of ways to take advantage of Mount's charisma and still stick to in-universe continuity and we'll have plenty of chances to enjoy Anson in the role before his character embarks on his final journey. Sorely tempted I understand. Doing it I wouldn't.
Someone with dark hair. (not everyone will get that joke)
I am sorry but, epic fails here.
He knows top men.
Of course it is but that is still reaction that can be controlled to a certain degree.
This is still a product, designed to be sold. TOS still has the strongest name recognition of the Star Trek franchise. The goal is to expand what we know while still telling stories about new and familiar characters. The producers want audiences, fans and nonfans, to tune in. Fans can be responsible and judge it on the story. Whether or not it will happen is a completely different story.
This series is set for streaming forty years after Wrath of Khan was released in cinemas. I never could have imagined this development occuring back then. Spock is alive and well in the 23rd and 21st centuries!!!
Incredible!
Incredible!
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