Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Mudd]

what is your source for them being the minority?

In fact, the whole viewership of the Paramount Plus Trek shows are themselves a minority of all the Trek fans who've followed it for decades. But what difference does it make?

Perhaps older techniques were better, considering the Klingon speech difficulties and odd Orion mask...

I'm not talking about design but the limitations of the materials and application techniques, which limited expression and made blending and coloring diificult.

All this has improved enough to make the immobile makeups on STD even more dunderheaded.

 

[Mudd]

It's not a matter of doing things like the 90s series. It's a matter of a return to the familiar. Klingons, Enterprise, Spock, Kirk, Uhura, etc. This is not creating something new or different but relying on familiar touchstones that will not offend people.

As much as I want a Pike show this trend seems very apparent to me, to create a safe Trek check list so that it feels familiar.

Welcome to 1988 and beyond.

 

[fireproof78]

Welcome to 1988 and beyond.

True.

 

[UssGlenn]

Well that's nice. Does that mean...

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the whole "Augment Virus" BS from ENT is not in continuity for this series?

That episode made it clear that both kinds existed at the same time until a cure was developed.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

It's not a matter of doing things like the 90s series. It's a matter of a return to the familiar. Klingons, Enterprise, Spock, Kirk, Uhura, etc. This is not creating something new or different but relying on familiar touchstones that will not offend people.

As much as I want a Pike show this trend seems very apparent to me, to create a safe Trek check list so that it feels familiar.

So, you want a Pike show, but are disappointed that they include the things you would expect to find in a Pike show, like the Enterprise, Spock, Klingons...

And you think including familiar touchstones won't offend Trekkies? Have you met us? There's so much more of a risk of pissing off fans by playing around with the classic characters, species and ships then by doing something completely new.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Well that's nice. Does that mean...

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the whole "Augment Virus" BS from ENT is not in continuity for this series?

I thought Disco established that in 2017.

 

[fireproof78]

So, you want a Pike show, but are disappointed that they include the things you would expect to find in a Pike show, like the Enterprise, Spock, Klingons...

It's one too many.

And you think including familiar touchstones won't offend Trekkies? Have you met us? There's so much more of a risk of pissing off fans by playing around with the classic characters and ships then by doing something completely new.

Oh, I know. I'm still pissed about certain things. But, this feels like a response to criticism and demands to make it "more like Trek." And Klingons are one of the hallmarks. I recall Abrams quote about that in Into Darkness BTS. Will fans hate it? Absolutely. But, it's the response that frustrates me that the producers are like "Oh, we need these elements to make it Trek."

 

[BillJ]

So, you want a Pike show, but are disappointed that they include the things you would expect to find in a Pike show, like the Enterprise, Spock, Klingons...

And you think including familiar touchstones won't offend Trekkies? Have you met us? There's so much more of a risk of pissing off fans by playing around with the classic characters, species and ships then by doing something completely new.

I think what frustrates me, is that they sometimes seem to forget they have a very broad canvass to paint on. I don’t mind hitting the legacy notes, but I also want to see the universe expanded.

 

[Dukhat]

I think what frustrates me, is that they sometimes seem to forget they have a very broad canvass to paint on. I don’t mind hitting the legacy notes, but I also want to see the universe expanded.

Agreed. I've always felt that since day one of 3rd generation Trek, that if they wanted to do a show about a Klingon war and its aftermath, that DSC should have taken place sometime after TUC, showing that the ultimate path to peace was still rocky ground to tread. They would have had a 60+ year canvas to work with before they even hit the start of TNG. But instead they decided that a prequel to TOS idea was better.

 

[fireproof78]

Unfortunately, they are working with the public perception of what makes Trek Trek.

 

[Tuskin38]

considering the Klingon speech difficulties

They could talk fine, they were just pronouncing the words the way the Klingon dictionary and the dialect coach told them to pronounce them. Voq/Tyler spoke the language exact same way outside of the makeup.

Most viewers are just used to most of series/movies not using the pronunciation style created by Marc Okrand.

The Klingon language as spoken in ST6 mostly used his pronunciations.

Well that's nice. Does that mean...

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the whole "Augment Virus" BS from ENT is not in continuity for this series?

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Enterprise never said the entire empire became flat heads, it was only a handful of colonies that were infected.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Hey, the Abrams movies work. People seem to like or love them a lot. They're TOS prequels in a way. Let's do that on the small screen."

Eh. Something misfired.

 

[fireproof78]

"Hey, the Abrams movies work. People seem to like or love them a lot. They're TOS prequels in a way. Let's do that on the small screen."

Eh. Something misfired.

And Abrams was working off of some of the fan films too.

 

[cooleddie74]

Abrams did a better job of recapturing the TOS feel and spirit. His ships looked better, too. Most of them, anyways.

 

[F. King Daniel]

"Hey, the Abrams movies work. People seem to like or love them a lot. They're TOS prequels in a way. Let's do that on the small screen."

Eh. Something misfired.

That's 100% what I'm wanting SNW to be.

 

[Orphalesion]

I thought Disco established that in 2017.

I wouldn't know what DISCO establishes or not. I only watched the Second Season and even then I don't think I watched the whole one.

 

[fireproof78]

Abrams did a better job of recapturing the TOS feel and spirit. His ships looked better, too. Most of them, anyways.

His ships, beyond the Enterprise, remind me of DSC, so that's a nonissue to me. The rest was an unfortunate result from the initial showrunner.

 

[Dukhat]

His ships, beyond the Enterprise, remind me of DSC, so that's a nonissue to me. The rest was an unfortunate result from the initial showrunner.

The Kelvin and her sister ships look nothing like the Starfleet vessels from DSC season 1.

 

[BillJ]

Unfortunately, they are working with the public perception of what makes Trek Trek.

That is usually how these companies work. Nip around the edges as to not upset the cash cow.

 

[fireproof78]

The Kelvin and her sister ships look nothing like the Starfleet vessels from DSC season 1.

The color palette reminds me of the DSC ships.

That is usually how these companies work. Nip around the edges as to not upset the cash cow.

And get rewarded for it.