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That episode made it clear that both kinds existed at the same time until a cure was developed.
So, you want a Pike show, but are disappointed that they include the things you would expect to find in a Pike show, like the Enterprise, Spock, Klingons...
And you think including familiar touchstones won't offend Trekkies? Have you met us? There's so much more of a risk of pissing off fans by playing around with the classic characters, species and ships then by doing something completely new.
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I thought Disco established that in 2017.
It's one too many.
Oh, I know. I'm still pissed about certain things. But, this feels like a response to criticism and demands to make it "more like Trek." And Klingons are one of the hallmarks. I recall Abrams quote about that in Into Darkness BTS. Will fans hate it? Absolutely. But, it's the response that frustrates me that the producers are like "Oh, we need these elements to make it Trek."
I think what frustrates me, is that they sometimes seem to forget they have a very broad canvass to paint on. I don’t mind hitting the legacy notes, but I also want to see the universe expanded.
Agreed. I've always felt that since day one of 3rd generation Trek, that if they wanted to do a show about a Klingon war and its aftermath, that DSC should have taken place sometime after TUC, showing that the ultimate path to peace was still rocky ground to tread. They would have had a 60+ year canvas to work with before they even hit the start of TNG. But instead they decided that a prequel to TOS idea was better.
Unfortunately, they are working with the public perception of what makes Trek Trek.
They could talk fine, they were just pronouncing the words the way the Klingon dictionary and the dialect coach told them to pronounce them. Voq/Tyler spoke the language exact same way outside of the makeup.
Most viewers are just used to most of series/movies not using the pronunciation style created by Marc Okrand.
The Klingon language as spoken in ST6 mostly used his pronunciations.
Enterprise never said the entire empire became flat heads, it was only a handful of colonies that were infected.
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"Hey, the Abrams movies work. People seem to like or love them a lot. They're TOS prequels in a way. Let's do that on the small screen."
Eh. Something misfired.
Eh. Something misfired.
And Abrams was working off of some of the fan films too.
Abrams did a better job of recapturing the TOS feel and spirit. His ships looked better, too. Most of them, anyways.
That's 100% what I'm wanting SNW to be.
I wouldn't know what DISCO establishes or not. I only watched the Second Season and even then I don't think I watched the whole one.
His ships, beyond the Enterprise, remind me of DSC, so that's a nonissue to me. The rest was an unfortunate result from the initial showrunner.
The Kelvin and her sister ships look nothing like the Starfleet vessels from DSC season 1.
That is usually how these companies work. Nip around the edges as to not upset the cash cow.
I wish they would have included at least one old Kelvin type.
Since the Romulan mining ship changed Starfleet's development and priorities, it would make sense, I guess that their fleet barely resembled the Prime universe from the Klingon War era. Assuming most of the vessles of the Disco era were either destroyed in the war, or found unfit due to that action and/or their performance, it also makes sense that a new fleet based on lessons learned learning heavily on Constitution and later Connie refit designs would also make sense.
But they still could have thrown fans a bone and had a Kelvin ship in there or even an old Daedalus. Maybe it was more difficult to do before the CBS/Paramount merger. Daedali have since made an appearance in Lower Decks
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