Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Jayson1]

Of course robots might do some of this kind of work as well. Only reason we never saw them in TOS is because Kirk accidentally talked them into destroying themselves. Needing to replace the robots Starfleet told Kirk to select some Yeomen for his ship because they weren't about to let him destroy more Starfleet bots. For some reason all the Yeoman he hired just happened to be sexy females. Jason

 

[Skipper]

Of course robots might do some of this kind of work as well. Only reason we never saw them in TOS is because Kirk accidentally talked them into destroying themselves. Needing to replace the robots Starfleet told Kirk to select some Yeomen for his ship because they weren't about to let him destroy more Starfleet bots. For some reason all the Yeoman he hired just happened to be sexy females. Jason

 

[eschaton]

I don't know what orifice the author pulled "The whole point of Star Trek is that anyone can achieve greatness if they put in the work." But it reads conspicuously a lot like "Pull themselves up by their own bootstraps," which is literally the exact opposite of what Star Trek is about.

The main characters are exceptional people. The exceptional of the exceptional, really. (Except Harry. But that's why he was never promoted.) The writing constantly goes out of its way to show the audience this. The point of Star Trek is it's the duty of the exceptional to lift everyone else up so all can rise together.

Which, incidentally has also always been the point of Star Wars. Something Johnson didn't quite understand and Abrams did his best to rectify.

I think the original quote was worded unartfully, but I think it's closer to the true Trekkian ethos than what you suggested. Trek has a very different outlook than Star Wars. Star Wars is a world of heroic chosen ones and destiny, where thick line is drawn between those who can shape history and the common folk. Star Trek is a world where we follow teams of competent professionals who are doing their best to complete their work. IMHO the groundedness of them as people - that they're not presented as superheroes or demigods (even in the rare cases where they have incredible powers) - is part of what gives Trek a unique feel and ethos.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Spock and Jules have a superbrains.
Data is a super robot.
Seven is a super cyborg.
Kirk, Picard and Janeway were confidently presented as once-in-a-lifetime talents.

They're superheroes.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Do we know at what point in TOS the 'Kirk" crew were supposed to come onboard the Enterprise? I can't imagine they all just get stuffed in as a kind of blob like in the Kelvin movies. Is it possible that characters like say, Scotty or McCoy were onboard before Kirk was made Captain?

Asking naively. Please forgive.

 

[fireproof78]

Do we know at what point in TOS the 'Kirk" crew were supposed to come onboard the Enterprise? I can't imagine they all just get stuffed in as a kind of blob like in the Kelvin movies. Is it possible that characters like say, Scotty or McCoy were onboard before Kirk was made Captain?

Asking naively. Please forgive.

I do not believe we ever have a time frame as to when each crewmember has arrived or how long they have served together.

 

[1987SpaceGuy]

Are the DSC Enterprise sets used for SNW?

if so, are they "movable" since AFAIK there are 2 CBS/Paramount studios in Toronto that do Star Trek and SNW is not on the same studio lot.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Are the DSC Enterprise sets used for SNW?

Yes. One can argue that's why the bridge was built so robustly.

if so, are they "movable" since AFAIK there are 2 CBS/Paramount studios in Toronto that do Star Trek and SNW is not on the same studio lot.

Any set is movable, especially if it's only a truck drive across town. This does beg the question: will Discovery also be moving to the CBS Studios in Mississauga?

 

[UssGlenn]

Do we know at what point in TOS the 'Kirk" crew were supposed to come onboard the Enterprise? I can't imagine they all just get stuffed in as a kind of blob like in the Kelvin movies. Is it possible that characters like say, Scotty or McCoy were onboard before Kirk was made Captain?

We can make some educated guesses. It would be unrealistic to not have several TOS crew members in place before Kirk takes command. The only one we can say is likely to have arrived after Kirk is McCoy. both because there is a different doctor in WNMHGB and he's stationed on Capella in the new black collared uniform. Well, Chekhov too, but that goes without saying.

M'Benga must have left at some point (to study on Vulcan?) and then for some reason agreed to come back not as CMO.

We should see Sulu in Astrophysics at some point later in the series. Scotty should come on board with Kirk because he needs maximum time away from the Enterprise to serve on all those ships he mentioned in Relics. Gary Mitchell should serve under Pike as well because he and Spock served together for years before WNMHGB. Uhura is apparently going to be there under Pike as a newly minted ensign.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Uhura is apparently going to be there under Pike as a newly minted ensign.

Is that right? Cool if so.

 

[UssGlenn]

Is that right? Cool if so.

It's unconfirmed but that does appear to be what is happening based on some leaked casting sheets (with fake character names) that line up nicely with the recent official actor announcements.

 

[Tuskin38]

Are the DSC Enterprise sets used for SNW?

if so, are they "movable" since AFAIK there are 2 CBS/Paramount studios in Toronto that do Star Trek and SNW is not on the same studio lot.

Well the only unique sets I believe were the Bridge and maybe the conference room. The corridors were just redresses of the Discovery corridors.

Sets are made to be put up and taken back down, it wouldn't be hard to move at all.

I wonder if they'll recreate the corridors they used on Discovery, or make new designs. I hope its a new design.

I also wonder if they'll change up the bridge any.

 

[DEWLine]

From the Docks on the Lower Don Lands to Mississauga...relatively speaking, not as drastic a move as from Los Angeles to Vancouver for the Kelvinverse Enterprise sets...

 

[eschaton]

Spock and Jules have a superbrains.
Data is a super robot.
Seven is a super cyborg.
Kirk, Picard and Janeway were confidently presented as once-in-a-lifetime talents.

They're superheroes.

There's no evidence that Spock is any smarter than the average Vulcan, or that Seven has any greater talents than the average ex-Borg. Data is a special example of course. I actually think that Odo is arguably closest to what we'd consider a superhero, since he has the power to shapeshift - and he fights crime!

But in general, Trek characters are shown as being in the top 1% (or above) of talent. This isn't superhuman though. And given there's undoubtedly trillions of sentient beings in the Federation, even the top 1% would result in millions of peers.

That said, Trek has had worse problems with scale as time has gone on. TOS was a very grounded show, insofar as the Enterprise didn't do anything too "epic" - with individual adventures involving single planets/solar systems, and antagonists being other captains/commanders. It was easy to assume there were a dozen or more ships just like Enterprise having the exact same sort of adventures. But TNG explicitly presented the Enterprise as being "extra special." DS9 had this issue to an even greater degree. VOY mostly avoided it, but ENT reveled in it, as has DIS.

 

[fireproof78]

Even the TOS films had that mission creep, with Kirk remaking that they have once again saved civilization as they know it. And even the Enterprise, while not being "extra special" it certainly was distinct, as illustrated in dialog in TOS.

Honestly, I don't know if Kirk was portrayed as "super human" but he definitely felt exceptional, especially in early episodes like "The Naked Time" where Spock says something has never been done and then they do it any way.

 

[The Wormhole]

Needing to replace the robots Starfleet told Kirk to select some Yeomen for his ship because they weren't about to let him destroy more Starfleet bots. For some reason all the Yeoman he hired just happened to be sexy females.

Starfleet assigned the yeomen with no input from Kirk, as per The Corbomite Maneuver.

 

[Danja]

There's no evidence that Spock is any smarter than the average Vulcan, or that Seven has any greater talents than the average ex-Borg.

Seven is basically the Ultimate Soldier.

After having been in combat for eighteen years, there isn't a whole lot she CAN'T do.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

From the Docks on the Lower Don Lands to Mississauga...relatively speaking, not as drastic a move as from Los Angeles to Vancouver for the Kelvinverse Enterprise sets...

I thought they just rebuilt the nu-E bridge from scratch in Vancouver.

 

[Mudd]

 

[Mudd]

I thought they just rebuilt the nu-E bridge from scratch in Vancouver.

They did.