Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Nerys Myk]

DS9 also put the Eugenics Wars in the 22nd Century

BENNETT: I don't think so. Two hundred years ago we tried to improve the species through DNA resequencing, and what did we get for our trouble? The Eugenics Wars. For every Julian Bashir that can be created, there's a Khan Singh waiting in the wings. A superhuman whose ambition and thirst for power have been enhanced along with his intellect. The law against genetic engineering provides a firewall against such men and it's my job to keep that firewall intact. I've made my offer. Do you accept?

It was a writing error, but it works now.

 

[cooleddie74]

22nd.

"200 years ago." 2374-200. Circa 2174.

 

[Tallguy]

though there they said it was the 28th century.

This is actually my favorite place for Star Trek. Especially if we're suggesting that there was a nuclear WWIII.

 

[Nerys Myk]

22nd.

"200 years ago." 2374-200. Circa 2174.

I blame time traveling Romulans.

 

[cooleddie74]

F'ing Temporal Cold War™.

 

[Nerys Myk]

F'ing Temporal Cold War™.

Now I have to find away to work a 2174 Eugenics War flare up into the Enterprise Pitch Game,

 

[HotRod]

In the end, far more things point to the Eugenics Wars being a 21st Century World War III. If the timeline was affected by Romulan time travelers, what they did was put TOS out of sync with everything else. Making the Prime Timeline...

ENT - DSC - SNW - TNG - DS9 - VOY - LDS - PRO - PIC

Or......

it's all a work of fiction, which is subject to change at any point and we just have to deal with it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I
it's all a work of fiction, which is subject to change at any point and we just have to deal with it.

Nah, that's crazy talk.

 

[fireproof78]

Now I have to find away to work a 2174 Eugenics War flare up into the Enterprise Pitch Game,

Use Colonel Green's descendants.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hell, "The Squire of Gothos" was set in the 28th century until it wasn't.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Use Colonel Green's descendants.

That would be....optimum.

 

[cooleddie74]

I understood that reference.

[*Hides schematics for my warp bomb*]

 

[FederationHistorian]

Additionally, we have Voyager visit the year 1996 without any sign or mention of war.

A case of out of sight, out of mind.

Voyager only visited Los Angeles in '96, not the Middle East, North Africa, India or Australia. Its not really distressing that they did not mention the Eugenics Wars.

Another thing to consider is the Enterprise episode Hatchery, where Archer mentions his great-grandfather who fought in the Eugenics Wars. The 1990s is too far back for a great-grandfather, but mid 21st century, a hundred years prior to when Enterprise takes place could work.

Archer’s great-grandfather either enlists in the army at 18, or lied about his age, around the time of Desert Storm in ’91. And does more tours during the '90s Eugenics War - Eugenics War I - which overlaps with Desert Storm.

Then in 2026 through early 2040s, Archer’s great grandfather serves again in the 21st century in Eugenics War II (approximately ages 53 through 64, this time as a general). He might have even stayed on longer into his 70s, if the war effort was going really badly at the lime.

This is also plenty of time for Archer’s grandfather to be born, who could have been the youngest of a litter of Archers in a 50 year span. And then Henry Archer is born in the late 2070s (if actor’s age lines up with Henry Archer’s age). And then Jonathan Archer is born in 2112.

DS9 also put the Eugenics Wars in the 22nd Century

Which could also have been Eugenics Wars III, and incorporate not just human Augments and a clone of Khan, but Suliban, Denobulans, Klingons, etc. as well. Basically anyone that was big on eugenics at the time.

 

[Mudd]

The Eugenics War is World War III and happens later in the 21st century. And that's the way it is.

Next.

 

[NCC-73515]

Hell, "The Squire of Gothos" was set in the 28th century until it wasn't.

TRELANE: Oh, really? Have I made an error in time? How fallible of me.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm really quite proud of the detail!

 

[FederationHistorian]

Hell, "The Squire of Gothos" was set in the 28th century until it wasn't.

*27th

By that logic, the Eugenics Wars either hasn’t happened yet, or could be a future conflict that occurs in the 25th/26th century.

Maybe its better to consider it a perpetually recurring conflict within the Star Trek universe.

 

[cooleddie74]

Nope. 28th. Napoleon circa 1810 plus 900 is about the year 2710. 28th century.

 

[Skywalker]

The Eugenics War grows out of the Second (American, presumably) Civil War and then develops into World War III. Or at least, that's how Pike made it sound in the first episode. And "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" makes it clear that these events are on a sliding timescale due to temporal shenanigans from the future.

So, yes, Archer's great-grandfather could have very easily fought in the Eugenics War, because now it occurs in the mid-21st century, not the 1990s.

 

[Noname Given]

Nope.

The fact that Eugenics Wars is plural always left it open to there being more than one Eugenics War. And that there was an interwar period between the wars.

Most people don’t call WWI & WWII the world war, despite them involving the same nation, do they? They’re the world wars.

Its completely plausible that the 1990s Eugenics war was EWI, and the 21st Eugenics War was EWII.

Moving it was nonsensical by SNW, especially after what was reaffirmed by PIC S2 i.e. Project Khan, and the Shenzhen Conventions.

We should really be asking is if there was an EWIII circa 2170s, to align with DS9.

It was already 'moved' by VOY in the two part episode they went to 1996.

(And Trek continuity has never been wholly consistent anyway in TOS AND the Berman era, long before the first episode of Strange New Worlds. The fan term for it going all the way back to TOS era fandom is: YATI = Yet Another Trek Inconsistency.)