Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Awesome Possum]

Having Kirk on SNW could work. Maybe he gets assigned to the ship as he's moving up in rank on his way to captain. Show him and Spock becoming friends, show him be a leader even before becoming a captain, and make have a scene or two where he sees the captain's chair and mentions that it's going to be his chair one day.

There's also the rumor about him being bi, that's plausible based on what we've seen in canon. Kirk has been with women of various species, a few men slipping in wouldn't be odd.

 

[AmbreP]

Because it amount to kirk abandoning his child. If Carol no longer want a relationship with Kirk this is her decision, but she shouldn't have total say in what kind of relationship (if any) Kirk has with his son. Kirk should have asseted himself.

As a separate matter, Carol never telling David, early in his life, who his father is is disturbing.
Remember when they claimed that John Harrison wasn't Khan?

Or was that someone else?

Personally I just assumed maybe why carol isn't in beyond, and maybe part of why kirk is so sad in the beginning might be because she wasn;t there because she was pregnant or raisng thier son. In the kelvin universe maybe he has a relationship with his son because he missed having one with his dead father. That would be a easy retcon. I mean with all the trauma kelvin kirk has, he seem more empathetic which he covers by more bluster and cockiness than TOS, because he is so hurt and seeking a family even more. I just cant see kelvin kirk being broken if he was separated and couldn't see his child. I highly doubt kelvin kirk would be enthusiastic about having responsibility for a pregnant partner onboard. For that matter the whole genesis project might not happen in this universe because of the restructuring of starfleet priorities that would happen after finding out about admiral using khan in int darkenss. The eugenic wars are before the timeline splinter.

For that matter spock had adopted daughter Saavik the original timeline, so might not kirk have a close relationship with his son on kelvin in the twisted mirror of kelvin but being raised apart form the ship in the safety of well anywhere else! Also with the destruction of vulcan I cannot see kelvin spock not having some kind of offspring even if he has no physical relationship with him like david marcus never had with his father kirk, perhaps one of the vulcan rebels (I know books again) who reject the emotional control and act more like humans and rihannsu/romulans. I mean if this spock rebellious child approcaches the romulans/rihannsu for genetic material (they are realted after all) to save both sub species genetic diversity......ooh that might be fun and h

 

[AmbreP]

sorry wasn't done typing and accidentally hit enter.

ooh that might be fun as well as realigning the kelvin and main timelines with spock perhaps helping to run an "underground railroad" of sorts for romulan/rihannsu defectors who could help populate "new vulcan".

 

[Tim Thomason]

Having Kirk on SNW could work. Maybe he gets assigned to the ship as he's moving up in rank on his way to captain. Show him and Spock becoming friends, show him be a leader even before becoming a captain, and make have a scene or two where he sees the captain's chair and mentions that it's going to be his chair one day.

There's also the rumor about him being bi, that's plausible based on what we've seen in canon. Kirk has been with women of various species, a few men slipping in wouldn't be odd.

It's the Creed Bratton rule: A few men may have slipped in there from time-to-time. There's no way of knowing for sure.

 

[Jayson1]

If we see Kirk we might also see Captain Garrovick as well. New idea even though it's super fannish. Kirk has to take command of the Farragut and we have to see Kirk vs Pike match up in a Starship battle for some plot reason. At least come of with a reason to have Pike and Kirk get into a fight and for Kirk have him use some of those old time moves we remember Shatner doing on the show.

Jason

 

[Awesome Possum]

It's the Creed Bratton rule: A few men may have slipped in there from time-to-time. There's no way of knowing for sure.

Kirk has likely slept with beings with genitals that we aren't physically capable of imagining and if you saw them you would lose your mind like you just stared at Cthulhu. Kirk however thought they were hot.

That said, he and Spock had sex at least once just for the hell of it.

 

[Schlegelmilch]

If they want Kirk on SNW, but no violate canon it could be set in the mirror universe. Kirk killed Pike in the mirror universe. It could be a one or two part episode such as Enterprise did. I suspect Kirk will be introduced in the first season and interact with Pike and Spock.

 

[AmbreP]

Kirk has likely slept with beings with genitals that we aren't physically capable of imagining and if you saw them you would lose your mind like you just stared at Cthulhu. Kirk however thought they were hot.

That said, he and Spock had sex at least once just for the hell of it.

Hey! Dont forget the McCoy triumvirate! Maybe thats how he moderates their argument/discussions. McCoy and Kirk were awfully chummy in ST09 just after McCoy got his divorce.....just saying.

Wouldn't the correct term be omnisexual now not BI?

I would love to see a gender swapping like they did in, Battlestar galactica with starbuck, with a well known character b/c a after all we lost chekov and this could be development for a sort of replacement character to fill the plot holes- but not literally a replacement, though I suspect it would be a hard sell to the kelvin actors because that character would have to show up in the movies, assuming ther are more kelvin timeline movies.

When did the Betazoid join trek.UFP?

Talk about a way to mess with kirk in any timeline throw him to the betazoid, because I really wonder if kelvin kirk might not test higher on the telepathy/empathy scale by how he reacts to hurt people when he isn't posturing or being cocky (literally or figuratively) and he isn't acting out to cover his feelings.

 

[Lord Garth]

When did the Betazoid join trek.UFP?

We don't know specifically but, in "The First Duty" (TNG), Picard said the Superintendent when he went to the Academy was Betazoid. That was in the 2320s, and it probably would've taken the Betazoid a while to become an Admiral, say at least 20 years...

... so I'm thinking it's not out of the question that Betazed joined the Federation at some point during the 23rd Century. Maybe even the 22nd.

Talk about a way to mess with kirk in any timeline throw him to the betazoid, because I really wonder if kelvin kirk might ]not test higher on the telepathy/empathy scale by how he reacts to hurt people when he isn't posturing or being cocky (literally or figuratively) and he isn't acting out to cover his feelings.

If Kirk had ESP, he would've been affected by whatever changed Gary Mitchell and Dr. Elizabeth Dehner in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (TOS), so I'm leaning toward he doesn't have telepathy so much as just really good instincts.

 

[Tim Thomason]

When did the Betazoid join trek.UFP?

Star Trek: Discovery used Star Trek: Star Charts for their, um, star charts. So it stands to reason that they might use that to decide these sorts of questions. In Star Charts, Betazed joined the UFP in 2273.

 

[Tenacity]

Picard said the Superintendent when he went to the Academy was Betazoid

It is possible to join starfleet without your civilization being a federation member.

If Kirk had ESP, he would've been affected by whatever changed Gary Mitchell and Dr. Elizabeth Dehner

Spock wasn't effected.

Betazed joined the UFP in 2273.

So around the time of TMP?

 

[Lord Garth]

In Star Charts, Betazed joined the UFP in 2273.

Spock wasn't effected.So around the time of TMP?

I think it would be neat if they went with Betazed joining the Federation in 2273 as a nod to TMP since Decker and Ilia were the proto Riker and Troi.

 

[dinzy]

We don't know specifically but, in "The First Duty" (TNG), Picard said the Superintendent when he went to the Academy was Betazoid. That was in the 2320s, and it probably would've taken the Betazoid a while to become an Admiral, say at least 20 years...

.

Just a note. Starfleet could have a policy of rank equivalence when a new planet joins the Federation. A Betazoid Admiral could map over to Admiral in Starfleet in some circumstances. Lower ranks would be less of an issue. Kira was given a rank when she was made an official Starfleet position during the war. It doesn't really mess with your logic too much as it would likely take some time for a new person to get the political cred to be superintendent. That is assuming that the Federation isn't a nepotistic, tit for tat shit show like the 2020 US is.

 

[Mudd]

There's no violation worth any concern in having Kirk on the show. Sooner or later he'll be there.

 

[The Wormhole]

Kirk has likely slept with beings with genitals that we aren't physically capable of imagining and if you saw them you would lose your mind like you just stared at Cthulhu. Kirk however thought they were hot.

That said, he and Spock had sex at least once just for the hell of it.

Reading this makes me realize we need a Star Trek-Doctor Who crossover in which Captain Kirk and Captain Jack meet. First they compare notes then things develop from there...

 

[Tim Thomason]

Kirk has likely slept with beings with genitals that we aren't physically capable of imagining and if you saw them you would lose your mind like you just stared at Cthulhu. Kirk however thought they were hot.

That said, he and Spock had sex at least once just for the hell of it.

Random Alien: <takes off pants>
Kirk: "Well that's an interesting situation going on down there. Hmm... let's, uh, try to figure out the best way to approach this in a manner that will reward both of us."

 

[137th Gebirg]

I guess he was always a specialized xenobiologist at heart.

 

[AmbreP]

We don't know specifically but, in "The First Duty" (TNG), Picard said the Superintendent when he went to the Academy was Betazoid. That was in the 2320s, and it probably would've taken the Betazoid a while to become an Admiral, say at least 20 years...

... so I'm thinking it's not out of the question that Betazed joined the Federation at some point during the 23rd Century. Maybe even the 22nd.


If Kirk had ESP, he would've been affected by whatever changed Gary Mitchell and Dr. Elizabeth Dehner in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (TOS), so I'm leaning toward he doesn't have telepathy so much as just really good instincts.

No empathy is different that ESP. Having more empathy is not being an empath or a telepath or whatever. The kelvin kirk seems initially more immature but empathetic toward others, likely form the added trauma in the kelvin timeline is making him act out more because he is more hurt/damaged and wanting to protect others more. Didn't they imply in that he had a better safety record for crew deaths, which considering red shirt syndrome in TOS would be possibly the biggest change in overall effect. Along with the main spock mindmeld how much transference from spocks vision of his kirk changed him as well because that kirk could eventually admit his pain, if only because he survived it maybe kelvin kirk could do things differently. Kelvin kirk sure risks himself more to directly protect others/his crew than the main kirk ever had opportunity to do because he is more of a rebel against the machine.

Maybe.

 

[AmbreP]

Just a note. Starfleet could have a policy of rank equivalence when a new planet joins the Federation. A Betazoid Admiral could map over to Admiral in Starfleet in some circumstances. Lower ranks would be less of an issue. Kira was given a rank when she was made an official Starfleet position during the war. It doesn't really mess with your logic too much as it would likely take some time for a new person to get the political cred to be superintendent. That is assuming that the Federation isn't a nepotistic, tit for tat shit show like the 2020 US is.

Like an officer exchange program....there would have to be some kind of basic training though even if not the full academy. Thats part of the point of IRL officer candidate school as I understand it. Yuu would still need some basic common languague and expectations of regulations and expected reactions like the prime directive and what star fleet considers an illegal order and what you do in star fleet in certain situations. I head m dad practicing for lectures he gave to his students in real life. After an intensive training course.....why not?

 

[arch101]

Reading this makes me realize we need a Star Trek-Doctor Who crossover in which Captain Kirk and Captain Jack meet. First they compare notes then things develop from there...

I think a Dr Who crossover with the SNW crew could be great- and I’d get Tenant back for it. “Oh, we slipped into that universe where they did that Federation thingy instead of the solar flares”