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and I thought the plot of the Romulans destroying their own rescue fleet because some androids were helping to build it to be completely nonsensical
That was 100% the point. It was showing the stupidity and self destructiveness of blind fanaticism.

I recall ENT doing something similar during their Xindi arc, where some Space Arabs took over the ship and were fighting some other Space Arabs (masters of subtlety) and one nonchalantly revealed to one of the crew the reason for their genocidal space war was disagreement over which day of the week is their version of Sunday.
 
That was 100% the point. It was showing the stupidity and self destructiveness of blind fanaticism.

The thing is, I don’t think that was the point at all. Because the fact that the Romulans destroyed their only means of survival was barely even touched upon. Not a single character in the show said something even remotely to the effect of, ‘Gosh, how ironic is that?!’ or ‘Those crazy Zhat Vash! Serves those nutcases right!’ It was just a plot device that was quickly forgotten about, and the androids that were banned go right back to being virtual slaves (as if the writers even bothered to touch upon the idea that they are in fact slaves. Not even the sentient androids on the synth planet even cared about that little plot point.)

The point of the show was about Picard being vindicated for calling Starfleet a bunch of assholes and ruining his friend Raffi’s life, saying a proper bye-bye to Data than what we got in Nemesis, and getting a teary and emotion-filled death only to be resurrected with a deus ex machina courtesy of his pal Spiner in a new role.

Edit: Sorry, I see that I’m veering way off topic here. My aplogies.
 
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In-story reason: Pike just decided that he didn't want to keep dying it.
... or maybe the experience of seeing his future, altered his body chemistry just enough to bring out the gray sooner. :shrug:


There are several forms to fill out -- in Klingon of course. And then there's the ceremonial relinquishing of one's IDIC pin, where it is submerged in a vat of green apple Kool-Aid at the altar of Roddenberry.

You forgot to add that they then have to drink said Kool-Aid. :techman:
 
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Except if you actually watch the episode, it's pretty clear that Lester was referring to the fact that because she was a woman, Starfleet wouldn't let her be a captain, because Starfleet doesn't allow females to be starship captains. One of the many dated aspects of TOS.
Yeah, even as a little girl I got that. And I hated it. :mad:

So you tell me: What logical reason would there be to make Pike's hair significantly more gray since the last time we saw him, if the show was meant to pick up right where DSC season 2 left off?
Stress and worry from having seen his future? I see that as a possibility. Look how much greyer every president (except those with fake hair :lol:) is every year they're in office.

I, Robot is unfairly maligned. It's a solid robot story especially considering the source material is a series of separate short stories.
The I, Robot movie is not based on Asimov's book of short stories. The studio gave it that title. Which is why I'll probably never watch it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Robot_(film)?wprov=sfla1

Tron with a box and lighter
:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

I've had an epiphany
Did it hurt? :hugegrin:

Seriously, good for you. I had something similar last year, so I dig. If you ever feel like sharing your long story, DM me.

There are several forms to fill out -- in Klingon of course. And then there's the ceremonial relinquishing of one's IDIC pin, where it is submerged in a vat of green apple Kool-Aid at the altar of Roddenberry.
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Yeah, even as a little girl I got that. And I hated it. :mad:

"Metamorphosis" was the worst in regards to TOS's treatment of women. Hedford was basically treated like a piece of meat.

Stress and worry from having seen his future? I see that as a possibility. Look how much greyer every president (except those with fake hair :lol:) is every year they're in office.

Well, that's certainly a possibility. The real problem with that scenario, though, is that if Pike saw his future as a burned husk confined to a mechanical chair that could only beep yes or no, don't you think he'd take steps to avoid that scenario from happening? That's the problem with time travel and Pike retroactively knowing his fate.
 
Well, that's certainly a possibility. The real problem with that scenario, though, is that if Pike saw his future as a burned husk confined to a mechanical chair that could only beep yes or no, don't you think he'd take steps to avoid that scenario from happening? That's the problem with time travel and Pike retroactively knowing his fate.
IIRC, Pike made his peace with that on DIS. Someone have the exact lines?
 
IIRC, Pike made his peace with that on DIS. Someone have the exact lines?

That he does! From Discovery S02E12 Through the Valley of Shadows:

Tenavik said:
You may still choose to walk away from this future. But if you take the crystal, your fate will be sealed, forever.
There will be no escaping it.

Pike said:
(panting) (whispering) You're a Starfleet Captain. You believe in service, sacrifice, compassion... in love.
No. I'm not going to abandon the things that make me who I am because of a future... that contains an ending that I hadn't foreseen for myself.
No. Give it to me.
 
That was 100% the point. It was showing the stupidity and self destructiveness of blind fanaticism.
The point of the show was about Picard being vindicated for calling Starfleet a bunch of assholes and ruining his friend Raffi’s life, saying a proper bye-bye to Data than what we got in Nemesis, and getting a teary and emotion-filled death only to be resurrected with a deus ex machina courtesy of his pal Spiner in a new role.
Here's the thing: You're both right and yet both wrong and thus have perfectly demonstrated the core problem with Kurtzman Trek.

It happens because the writers take the fling all shit at the wall approach, except that nothing sticks. So in a creative panic they dig right in, grab a handful, and smear it on the wall. And then cover it up with $8m worth of digital wallpaper and hope no one notices.

Yeah, even as a little girl I got that. And I hated it. :mad:
And rightly so.
 
I don't know about that, Goldsman has more direct creative control over SNW than he did on Discovery. I'm taking a wait an see attitude.
which is not a good thing if picard was any indication...

S01 of PIC is awesome, one of Trek's best seasons, but AG only co-wrote the first two episodes.

Don't forget he's an Academy Award winning writer for "A Beautiful Mind". Some of his other critically acclaimed movies include The Client (his first writing job), A Time to Kill, and Cinderella Man (BAFTA-nominated). Goldsman is phenomenal when he tells down-to-earth stories or those from real life figures. But even some of the goofy stuff above, and other less-than-highly acclaimed work like The Da Vinci Code movies or that Divergent sequel still rake in money at the box office, which is the number that CBS is looking for.

We've never had such a highly awarded figure behind the scenes since Robert Wise.

He also (co-)wrote 18 episodes for the sci-fi series "Fringe" which were received with generally positive reviews.
So far, I don't see any reason to either prematurely praise or write SNW off.

Fan service is what Star Trek has become, for better or worse. For me, for worse.

This claim couldn't be further from the truth. Never before in the history of ST there was such a wide range of different shows, even LDS with its great amount of fan service still tells its own stories with its comedic style and expands the lore (Pakled plot, Divison 14,...). Picard, for instance, added a great deal to Romulan culture.

Yep.

Some STD fans have this strawman critic they like to pretend represents the Trek audience who find the Burnham show lacking - like the problem is with infidelity to details of continuity.

That's not why most people don't bother with the show. If a show can tell good stories with some competence, in an entertaining way, very few people will fret the details.

STD has rarely managed that for as much as a week. People dislike and make fun of it because it's lame, dumb TV.

This is almost cute. Who determines what counts as a good, competent story?
TNG and DS9 must have been lame and dumb as well since parts of the fandom were crying and bitching back then, mind you, without modern social media.
Sure, most people don't bother with DSC, it failed. Everything since season 2 is a cover-up, true fans know that.
 
This is almost cute. Who determines what counts as a good, competent story?
TNG and DS9 must have been lame and dumb as well since parts of the fandom were crying and bitching back then, mind you, without modern social media.
Sure, most people don't bother with DSC, it failed. Everything since season 2 is a cover-up, true fans know that.

Serveaux is a TV writer. He wrote Tin Man and First Contact (the episode) for TNG. I disagree with many of his criticisms, but they do come from an competent, authoritative source.

And it's all opinion, too.
 
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