Spoilers Strange New Worlds jumps the shark... ("Subspace Rhapsody")

[gabby1701]

Same here, along with a few others! They still make it onto my music playlist every now and then. I caught my wife humming a few of them after she watched it too!

Spock never even felt like a real boyfriend to Chapel, they barely dated, which is why their break up was awfully done. The X song did not feel earned.

You know what I remember from that song or scene, Spock sings it in front of Uhura, a woman he dated in another universe. Maybe the SNW writers did that on purpose as a metaphorical call back to the kelvin timeline but I just thought it was an eerie irony.

SNW Spock is singing about a failed romance in front of another woman he managed to date more convincingly for years with little teeny drama in a parallel universe were that Spock acts more vulcan than SNW Spock does.

So again here is a SNW episode giving you call backs to other shows like star trek/buffy that executed similar concepts better.

 

[Leo Walsh]

But it's NOT good Trek.

That's another way of saying "I personally don't like it."

I think the musical is good Trek. But then, "good Trek" is a bizarro concept" in and of itself.

 

[V'Lias]

Spock never even felt like a real boyfriend to Chapel, they barely dated, which is why their break up was awfully done. The X song did not feel earned.

You know what I remember from that song or scene, Spock sings it in front of Uhura, a woman he dated in another universe. Maybe the SNW writers did that on purpose as a metaphorical call back to the kelvin timeline but I just thought it was an eerie irony.

SNW Spock is singing about a failed romance in front of another woman he managed to date more convincingly for years with little teeny drama in a parallel universe were that Spock acts more vulcan than SNW Spock does.

So again here is a SNW episode giving you call backs to other shows like star trek/buffy that executed similar concepts better.

I honestly couldn't care less about what happened in another show or movie. I liked the song and the episode. Period. It's not perfect, but it was enjoyable, funny, and entertaining. Which is why I watch things. For entertainment.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I may have given this one a 6 or 7. I wouldn't have minded a second trick episode if the seasons were longer, say 18-20 episodes and Those Old Scientists was a blast, so that one is completely forgiven and possibly a Top 5 all-time Star Trek episode for me.

 

[EnderAKH]

Yes, the bar was just too high with Once More With Feeling. it does not take away anything from SNW, it only becomes an issue when some say this is the best musical tv episode of all time to keep the narrative of SNW been the best trek ever for the modern age going.

So what? For them, it''s better. Tastes are subjective. For example, I love Doctor Who. It was my first sci-fi love, finding it when I was 9 years old with Tom Baker. I love it unashamedly. Many people consider Heaven Sent with Peter Capaldi to be one of the best episodes of Doctor Who ever made. It just did not connect with me. I found it emotionally unengaging. I don't proclaim my dislike of the episode every chance I get. I don't yell about it. In fact, I rarely bring it up at all. Just because it didn't connect with me, why shit on other people's enjoyment of an episode? If they think it was one of the best, even though I consider it flat, good for them. I'm glad they found something they enjoyed. There are plenty of other episodes I loved, some of which I loved and others didn't.

I feel that is what is all about because come on, if we go by objective honesty we know.... case in point..... SNW Spock needs some kind of divine vulcan intervention from the vulcan elders for all his escapades.

Need to snap him back to been a real Vulcan. ASAP

By "objective honesty" no we don't. You don't like how he is being portrayed. Others do. Who cares? In the immortal words of Elsa from another amazing musical, "Let it go"

 

[gabby1701]

I honestly couldn't care less about what happened in another show or movie. I liked the song and the episode. Period. It's not perfect, but it was enjoyable, funny, and entertaining. Which is why I watch things. For entertainment.

and perhaps why you miss the point of this thread.


the OP started this thread by saying Buffy ONWTF was better, that was the main point. we have seen better, so we ask why can't SNW be just as good or even better, which is fair especially for a show that has been anointed the best star trek content since , not even enterprise...wait for it.....DS9.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

i thought the musical episode was one of the most lol episodes in season 1

 

[gabby1701]

So what? For them, it''s better. Tastes are subjective. For example, I love Doctor Who. It was my first sci-fi love, finding it when I was 9 years old with Tom Baker. I love it unashamedly. Many people consider Heaven Sent with Peter Capaldi to be one of the best episodes of Doctor Who ever made. It just did not connect with me. I found it emotionally unengaging. I don't proclaim my dislike of the episode every chance I get. I don't yell about it. In fact, I rarely bring it up at all. Just because it didn't connect with me, why shit on other people's enjoyment of an episode? If they think it was one of the best, even though I consider it flat, good for them. I'm glad they found something they enjoyed. There are plenty of other episodes I loved, some of which I loved and others didn't.

By "objective honesty" no we don't. You don't like how he is being portrayed. Others do. Who cares? In the immortal words of Elsa from another amazing musical, "Let it go"

Let it go was about Elsa's character development. Maybe Spock should have gotten the memo after he sang, I am the X, so he would not have gotten dumped again in wedding bell blues after another humiliation like Chapel bringing her new beau to the enterprise without any warning. LMAO.

objective honesty is Nimoy Spock from TOS, as a staple to compare and contrast. JJ Abrams hate started from when he said, he was more of a star wars guy in 2008 and I deny the false claim he made trek more like star wars. star trek 2009 is actually very similar to TNG First Contact as a film, Time travel, Spok Prime and Nero sharing a past as Picard and the Borg and overall stake of the universe and a much darker tone with some good action sequences more for movies than TV.

But even with that, Abrams understood the character of Spock a lot better than the SNW guys and I will say this is an objective take because Quinto Spock has trutfully more similarities to TOS Spock than SNW Spock.

 

[EnderAKH]

But even with that, Abrams understood the character of Spock a lot better than the SNW guys and I will say this is an objective take because Quinto Spock has trutfully more similarities to TOS Spock than SNW Spock.

But it's NOT objective, it is subjective. In the immortal words of the Dude:

Other people who know just as much about Star Trek as you do, including a couple of members here who WROTE for Star Trek, disagree. And that's ok. Not everyone needs to agree with you. I promise you, you are not going to change hearts and minds here, so you are yelling into the wind just to yell.

 

[V'Lias]

the OP started this thread by saying Buffy ONWTF was better, that was the main point. we have seen better, so we ask why can't SNW be just as good or even better, which is fair especially for a show that has been anointed the best star trek content since , not even enterprise...wait for it.....DS9.

But what if I think the SNW musical is better than the one on Buffy? This is all subjective. Or is there somebody out there that decides whether something is good or bad? Why does it matter whether Buffy or Star Trek or any other musical is "better" than the other?

 

[fireproof78]

But even with that, Abrams understood the character of Spock a lot better than the SNW guys and I will say this is an objective take because Quinto Spock has trutfully more similarities to TOS Spock than SNW Spock.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Other people who know just as much about Star Trek as you do, including a couple of members here who WROTE for Star Trek, disagree. And that's ok. Not everyone needs to agree with you. I promise you, you are not going to change hearts and minds here, so you are yelling into the wind just to yell.

Indeed.

 

[Boo-khat!]

and perhaps why you miss the point of this thread.


the OP started this thread by saying Buffy ONWTF was better, that was the main point.

No, the main point was that the OP made a post specifically to bitch about a specific episode. Which is all fine and dandy, but after 6 pages of continual bitching and others not agreeing with his opinions, the OP left in a huff. Is that about right?

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

VOYAGER is one of the best examples in the franchise of a show having glaring issues. REALLY glaring issues.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

Jump the shark?

This is a franchise where an entire senior staff was once transported to a recreation of Sherwood Forest and the lead character took on the role of Robin Hood. Sexy women in go-go boots once stole Spock's brain. LD is also canon, meaning there's a pretty good chance that the live-action Trek universe has an Earth koala bear as a mystical overseer of the universe.

SINGING characters briefly affected by a typically silly Star Trek spatial phenomenon is the step too far?!??

 

[V'Lias]

Jump the shark?

This is a franchise where an entire senior staff was once transported to a recreation of Sherwood Forest and the lead character took on the role of Robin Hood. Sexy women in go-go boots once stole Spock's brain. LD is also canon, meaning there's a pretty good chance that the live-action Trek universe has an Earth koala bear as a mystical overseer of the universe.

SINGING characters briefly affected by a typically silly Star Trek spatial phenomenon is the step too far?!??

But this time it's different!™

 

[Tosk]

Because that's exactly how the title appears on screen, minus the blue color.

Dang, that's some attention to detail!

I guess I was bamboozled by the fact that I've never seen anyone ever list Trek episodes with their titles formatted to match the on-screen listings.

Although you have the ep 'Heroes and Demons' italicized, but it isn't in the episode. (Here I am grasping at pedantic straws to show I can check stuff too! )

 

[Turtletrekker]

In the immortal words of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, "Bored now."

I believe that was actually Willow.

 

[Frightscape One]

Jump the shark?

This is a franchise where an entire senior staff was once transported to a recreation of Sherwood Forest and the lead character took on the role of Robin Hood. Sexy women in go-go boots once stole Spock's brain. LD is also canon, meaning there's a pretty good chance that the live-action Trek universe has an Earth koala bear as a mystical overseer of the universe.

SINGING characters briefly affected by a typically silly Star Trek spatial phenomenon is the step too far?!??

Along with the synchronized dancing, yes. Just completely absurd.

 

[Frightscape One]

Dang, that's some attention to detail!

I guess I was bamboozled by the fact that I've never seen anyone ever list Trek episodes with their titles formatted to match the on-screen listings.

Although you have the ep 'Heroes and Demons' italicized, but it isn't in the episode. (Here I am grasping at pedantic straws to show I can check stuff too! )

The reason I do that for VOY season 1 episodes is because the font is different than the rest of the episodes for that series. (It's one of the reasons you can instantly recognize which 4 episodes aired in season 2 were produced in season 1.)

Italicizing is the only method I know of to convey the difference. It's something I've always done.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Jump the shark?

This is a franchise where an entire senior staff was once transported to a recreation of Sherwood Forest and the lead character took on the role of Robin Hood. Sexy women in go-go boots once stole Spock's brain. LD is also canon, meaning there's a pretty good chance that the live-action Trek universe has an Earth koala bear as a mystical overseer of the universe.

SINGING characters briefly affected by a typically silly Star Trek spatial phenomenon is the step too far?!??

It hasn't even put on the leather jacket and skis yet.