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That's only if SNW starts immediately after the Discovery left in 2258. Since there's already been two more seasons of DSC after that, I'm speculating that the show will start in-universe in 2260 at the earliest, which accounts for the changes in bridge crew, uniforms, and interior and exterior changes to the ship. Not to mention that Pike would have been promoted to fleet captain sometime before 2265, which would mean that Mount would only be captain for at most five years after the show starts. Unless they plan on only making SNW for five seasons, then there will be overlap between Pike and Kirk.
Of course, all of this speculation is based on exact continuity between SNW and TOS, which I doubt is actually the intent of the producers of the show.
I imagine it's 2258, New Year's Eve
If you don't make bold predictions, you'll never be able to say "called it!"
How's this for a timeline:
Pike is in command for 5 years or so, then when Anson Mount wants to leave the show they promote him to Fleet Captain and Promote Number One to Captain of the Enterprise. Commander Kirk comes aboard as her new first officer and meets Pike. Then Rebecca Romijn is Captain for a couple seasons before she gets promoted out and we start the new TOS episodes. The series can continue to be called Strange New Worlds.
Anything other than the line in Turnabout Intruder (that we are all ignoring anyway) to prevent this?
Somehow I will live with the disappointment of never achieving such an auspicious honor.
The "no room in your world for women" line? Even as a kid I assumed that just meant she was bitter that Kirk chose his career over her, not that women can't be captains. I had no idea any one thought that until discussing Trek online.
Except if you actually watch the episode, it's pretty clear that Lester was referring to the fact that because she was a woman, Starfleet wouldn't let her be a captain, because Starfleet doesn't allow females to be starship captains. One of the many dated aspects of TOS.
"Your world of Starship Captains doesn't admit women!", combined with the fact that she wanted to command the Enterprise, and the fact that the episode was made in 1969... yeah. I think Dukhat is right.
I thought it was stupid before (still do), and used to argue that during the first years I was here. "Did Number One really hit a glass ceiling?" But, that was before I watched the series Mad Men, which I'm a huge fan of and watched from beginning to end as it was airing. Thanks to Mad Men, I know more about the '60s now than I did before. At least as much as I can without having lived in them. So I think Janice Lester having a glass ceiling is stupid now too, with the additional reason of the society the writers were living in, and had lived in all their lives, was stupid. They didn't know how to think any other way.
Mad Men does a very good job of showing how much women were discriminated against, their struggles, and their point of view as it was happening to them. Obviously it happens now too, but back then was so much worse.
EDITED TO ADD: If they showed even one woman Captain during TOS, then this discussion would be very different. But we didn't get to see one until TVH in 1986.
So yeah, certain things about TOS are very dated and those things deserve to be ignored with anything made Today.
I thought it was stupid before (still do), and used to argue that during the first years I was here. "Did Number One really hit a glass ceiling?" But, that was before I watched the series Mad Men, which I'm a huge fan of and watched from beginning to end as it was airing. Thanks to Mad Men, I know more about the '60s now than I did before. At least as much as I can without having lived in them. So I think Janice Lester having a glass ceiling is stupid now too, with the additional reason of the society the writers were living in, and had lived in all their lives, was stupid. They didn't know how to think any other way.
Mad Men does a very good job of showing how much women were discriminated against, their struggles, and their point of view as it was happening to them. Obviously it happens now too, but back then was so much worse.
EDITED TO ADD: If they showed even one woman Captain during TOS, then this discussion would be very different. But we didn't get to see one until TVH in 1986.
So yeah, certain things about TOS are very dated and those things deserve to be ignored with anything made Today.
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"Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice", "Justice League" and "Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker" were also written by an Oscar winner (Chris Terrio, Argo).
Did it help these movies? Did it elevate these movies? Are these some misunderstood high-concept movies?
How did having a writer with an Oscar and BAFTA award nominations writing for DC and Star Wars work out for them?
But you are right, we never had a writer with three Golden Raspberry Award nominations working for Star Trek.
(Alex Kurtzman comes close, he actually has won a Golden Raspberry and has another nomination)
Every SciFi movie written by Akiva Goldsman is disastrously bad.
Akiva Goldsman is not some intellectual titan and misunderstood genius.
But the two seasons of DSC occurred in the far future. There's no reason for that elapsed time to match up with SNW's era. In fact, SNW could start immediately after the last scene of the DSC S2 finale with no continuity issues.
Pike's hair is considerably grayer than the last time we saw him (and it was dyed; that's not Mount's real hair color.) The crew all have new uniforms. The bridge looks different. So there's no way the show takes place immediately after the end of DSC season 2. All of these things imply that a passage of time has occurred; perhaps even more than the two years I originally speculated based on IRL time. The show could literally start in the same year that Kirk takes command.
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As someone who grayed significantly in one year I don't think as much time has passed. Maybe a year.
But you’re a real person. Christopher Pike is not. Mount’s hair was artificially grayed because it is obviously meant to show a significant passage of time. Because if it wasn’t a significant passage of time, they wouldn’t have bothered to gray his hair as much as they did.
Perhaps
I don't see it as obvious. I'll wait and see.
Or Mount just decided he didn't want to keep dying it.
It's not uncommon for hair styles and set designs to change between seasons, or between movies. Heck, the Discovery bridge changed in the midst of one scene that overlapped S1 and S2! I wouldn't take that as incontrovertible evidence that many years have passed.
So you tell me: What logical reason would there be to make Pike's hair significantly more gray since the last time we saw him, if the show was meant to pick up right where DSC season 2 left off?
I, Robot is unfairly maligned. It's a solid robot story especially considering the source material is a series of separate short stories. As for Batman, the director wanted to make a campy live action cartoon, and that's exactly what he gave him.
I, Robot is an excellent movie and completely enjoyable.
In-story reason: Pike just decided that he didn't want to keep dying it.
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