Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x02 - "Children of The Comet"

[cooleddie74]

Spoiler: Why Picard's so cold in TNG and afterwards

But now we know Picard had to see his mother hanging dead by her own hand so after that moment he could more readily accept death, especially if it weren't of someone close to him and if it were tied to some structured rules system. It's a shitty way to hand wave away a civilization dying when you can prevent it from happening but at least now and in-universe Picard's coldness makes a little more sense.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I hope it stays that way. That stuff always annoyed me.

But, but....flame throwers, spark generators and falling rocks are teh canon!

 

[Tuskin38]

Spoiler

But now we know Picard had to see his mother hanging dead by her own hand so after that moment he could more readily accept death, especially if it weren't of someone close to him and if it were tied to some structured rules system. It's a shitty way to hand wave away a civilization dying when you can prevent it from happening but at least now and in-universe Picard's coldness makes a little more sense.

Spoiler tag that please.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

3. This version of Uhura whoops ass on Zoe Saldana's, too. Much more realistic, much less a 'badass' Trek version of Gamora from GotG, sexing up Spock.

I had a similar thought earlier. Like, has anyone seen Zoe as a character other than Uhura or Gamora? I personally have not, so I wonder how much acting range she has after seeing the similarities between these 2 characters.

 

[Tuskin38]

Oh wow I thought the Shepard was CGI, but no, a guy in a suit. everything above the mouth is an animatronic.

 

[Belz...]

And to me, that's being more what the Federation and Starfleet should be: the "humanitarian and peacekeeping armada".

I never got how someone could live with themselves, watching a civilization be wiped out by a volcano, or by an outside force that is preying on another race, etc and do nothing but watch. To me, that was a horrendous misinterpretation of the Prime Directive. I can understand not revealing yourself to alter some race's technological progression (we saw it here in the first episode), but to watch a whole race die when something could be done is insanity.

It almost feels like the looser General Order 1 from TOS caused some diplomatic or political issues for the UFP government at some point, and new rules and amendments and such were added, not really to make the Prime Directive more useful or to avoid disaster, but for the convenience of those already living in paradise. Well, it's easy to be a saint in paradise!

 

[Belz...]

Oh wow I thought the Shepard was CGI, but no, a guy in a suit. everything above the mouth is an animatronic.

Impressive work. (*Shepherd)

But, but....flame throwers, spark generators and falling rocks are teh canon!

Hell, there are two flame throwers at the back of Discovery's bridge and they're PAINFULLY obvious.

I had a similar thought earlier. Like, has anyone seen Zoe as a character other than Uhura or Gamora? I personally have not, so I wonder how much acting range she has after seeing the similarities between these 2 characters.

I like 09's Uhura but she feels like a completely different character. DSC's Uhura feels a lot closer to what I expect a younger Uhura to act like.

 

[Vince A]

Overall a pretty good episode. The first 20 minutes or so were ok but things really picked up once “The Shepard’s” showed up.

It was cool to see a Uhuru-centered episode and Gooding is killing it in the role.

Sam Kirk seems a little goofy but I think that’s intentional. Like goofy in an endearing kind of way.

I’m interested to see where they take the fatalism theme they’ve been exploring so far. It seems like Pike has knowledge of his fate up to the accident that put him in the wheel chair, but not of his later life with Vina. At least that’s how it seems so far. Although it was revealed he knows the names of some of the people he saved, so he might know more and it just hasn't been revealed.

The only negatives I have really aren't specific to this episode.

Ethan Peck just isn’t right for Spock. Something’s not working. I’m sure he’s a fine actor and a nice guy, but he’s miscast in this role. Also, It’s still early in the shows run and she may grow on me, but La’al just seems like an unlikable crank. (And no that doesn’t make me a sexist. A characters Sex/Gender does not put them above criticism.)

The set design for this enterprise is just awesome. This might be my new favorite enterprise. Also, I’m really loving the opening theme and haven't stopped listening to it.

I'm about to give this one a second watch now.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Well yeah they are kids. Remember this episode is about 10 years before the accident. They are all cadets during the accident so they are probably late teens early 20s so them being kids was no surprise at all.

I wasn't surprised by it. I was making note of the emotional impact going forward.

 

[Belz...]

Ethan Peck just isn’t right for Spock.

Interesting how some think very highly of him and others not. Personally I quite like his performance.

Also, It’s still early in the shows run and she may grow on me, but La’al just seems like an unlikable crank.

Aw, but I like cranks!

 

[Tiberius Jim]

I've noticed some cool similarities between some of the angles the VFX team uses for the Enterprise, this being my favorite.

 

[Xerxes82]

When he calls up the files of the people he saves and they're all children, that was poignant. The "kids" he saves are actual kids at that moment in time. I have a feeling he's going to follow their lives as they grow, branding his fate indelibly into his mind and soul.

So much this. I feel like he's actively thinking about trying to change his fate. About using what he knows to alter his destiny. But that the more he follows these kids as they develop and sees their potential and what they could be, the more likely he is to accept his path, not for his own sake but for theirs. That his choice to sacrifice themselves for them has meaning beyond himself. We'll see if the series follows up at all with this idea, but it really struck a chord with me.

 

[Charles Phipps]

That is EXACTLY the kind of crap this show doesn't need.

Hard disagree.

 

[Yistaan]

So much this. I feel like he's actively thinking about trying to change his fate. About using what he knows to alter his destiny. But that the more he follows these kids as they develop and sees their potential and what they could be, the more likely he is to accept his path, not for his own sake but for theirs. That his choice to sacrifice themselves for them has meaning beyond himself. We'll see if the series follows up at all with this idea, but it really struck a chord with me.

Pike, knowing the names of the cadets, recognizes them during the training event and immediately orders a shipwide diagnostic. The problem being that it's the diagnostic mechanism itself that is damaged, leading to the disaster. If Pike had done nothing, nothing would have happened. Pike's attempt to prevent the accident ends up causing it.

 

[mattman8907]

Pike, knowing the names of the cadets, recognizes them during the training event and immediately orders a shipwide diagnostic. The problem being that it's the diagnostic mechanism itself that is damaged, leading to the disaster. If Pike had done nothing, nothing would have happened. Pike's attempt to prevent the accident ends up causing it.

A) I must have missed that part and B) isn't that called a Predestined paradox?

 

[Yistaan]

A) I must have missed that part and B) isn't that called a Predestined paradox?

You didn't miss anything, I'm just speculating.

 

[Trekker4747]

By the way, is it weird that we got a "last time on SNW" at the start of the ep since it is an episodic format? It does not seem really necessary. Or maybe they wanted to remind the audience about Pike's issue with his future death to help give context to this ep since it continued that character arc?

The "previously on" seems to be more focused on character arcs and short story arcs more than season-long galactic threat arcs.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh wow I thought the Shepard was CGI, but no, a guy in a suit. everything above the mouth is an animatronic.

That make up is quite the work.


The character is more in question for me.

 

[cooleddie74]

Wow. I also had no idea. It looked CGI. That takes the alien emissary from the end of Close Encounters of the Third Kind to the next level, and this sort of animatronic technology was already pretty impressive by 1977.

 

[fireproof78]

Wow. I also had no idea. It looked CGI. That takes the alien emissary from the end of Close Encounters of the Third Kind to the next level, and this sort of animatronic technology was already pretty impressive by 1977.

Reminded me more of Men in Black.

And not in a good way.