Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[Mr Awe]

From THE MAKING OF STAR TREK (p.254):
"Christine Chapel is well-educated for her task, with a doctorate of her own in Bio-Research. (sic)"

The character sketches/biographic details in TMOST were taken from the second season Writer's Guide, and thus, reflective of the thinking in the TOS production office ca. 1967. That bit of information never made it into dialogue onscreen, so technically, isn't "canon," but the concept of Chapel having a doctorate of her own - albeit not an MD, probably a PhD or DSc - wasn't pulled out of thin air.

Later, she got her MD prior to TMP.

[Edited to fix an autocorrect-induced word substitution error.]

That's really cool to know. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Mr Awe]

The lore has never said they don't. DC Fontana has said in the past that they do.

Besides T'Pring was never very logical, re-watch Amok Time.

I found T'Pring in SNW to be very consistent with T'Pring in Amok Time!

 

[Mr Awe]

The Vulcans were kind of always how ENT presented them, we just didn't see much of that behavior. Spock became the avatar for all Vulcans for a long time and so we associated his ethics and kindness with his whole species. Nope. Even TOS showed how duplicitous and savage they can be. "Amok Time" showed they don't mind changing the rules if they can find logical reasoning for their decisions and will remain beholden to rituals that quite frankly aren't terribly logical.

I think it's interesting, and realistic, that a relative outsider like Spock had to work extra hard to fit the image of the perfect Vulcan than the full-blooded Vulcans. And, of course, he fell a bit short and was reprimanded in TMP. Undoubtedly, Vulcans would look the other way for other candidates.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, Spock came off as more Vulcan than many in his own species including his own father(especially now in the light of Sarek's willingness to commit planetary genocide by going along with the plan to set off the bomb inside Qo'noS in DSC). The Vulcan who is actually half-human embodies more of Vulcan's ideal traits than most others we've encountered over the decades.

 

[The Rock]

Btw, did this episode remind you a lot of the TNG episode (not the movie) "First Contact"? They both were about a civilized pre-warp society whose cities looked pretty much like present day Earth's!

 

[cooleddie74]

Oh, I was reminded of Dennis' episode pretty quickly. It's not the Malcorian Homeworld but it has some similarities.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, Spock came off as more Vulcan than many in his own species including his own father(especially now in the light of Sarek's willingness to commit planetary genocide by going along with the plan to set off the bomb inside Qo'noS in DSC). The Vulcan who is actually half-human embodies more of Vulcan's ideal traits than most others we've encountered over the decades.

Sounds about right.

 

[Donald G]

Yeah, Spock came off as more Vulcan than many in his own species including his own father(especially now in the light of Sarek's willingness to commit planetary genocide by going along with the plan to set off the bomb inside Qo'noS in DSC). The Vulcan who is actually half-human embodies more of Vulcan's ideal traits than most others we've encountered over the decades.

I remember back in the seventies there being a common fan interpretation that, in order to compensate for his human qualities, adult Spock pre-Vejur behaves more Vulcan than the Vulcans , themselves.

Kind of like Worf's idealization and embrace of Klingon culture in TNG.

 

[cooleddie74]

Whereas most Klingons from Qo'noS are underwhelming or assholes who make a joke out of honor.

 

[Mudd]

Btw, did this episode remind you a lot of the TNG episode (not the movie) "First Contact"? They both were about a civilized pre-warp society whose cities looked pretty much like present day Earth's!

I didn't think of it until a friend pointed it out. There were some similarities, yeah.

 

[Oddish]

I'm liking this show so far. Definite possibilities.

 

[Farscape One]

Yeah, Spock came off as more Vulcan than many in his own species including his own father(especially now in the light of Sarek's willingness to commit planetary genocide by going along with the plan to set off the bomb inside Qo'noS in DSC). The Vulcan who is actually half-human embodies more of Vulcan's ideal traits than most others we've encountered over the decades.

I was to add my observation of Worf, but the below quoted beat me to it.

I remember back in the seventies there being a common fan interpretation that, in order to compensate for his human qualities, adult Spock pre-Vejur behaves more Vulcan than the Vulcans , themselves.

Kind of like Worf's idealization and embrace of Klingon culture in TNG.

 

[ToddCam]

So, Sam Kirk is Jim's older brother? Who also served on Enterprise? Did he retire from Starfleet in disgust when his little brother became his CO?

 

[Captain Jollydark]

As a costume designer in an earlier life I loved the costume design for the Kiley people. And T'Pring's retro quasi-behive hairdo and her beautiful dress (reminiscent of the one Arlene Martel wore in Amok Time). I am so happy to see that the Vulcan's won't all be bowl cuts, catsuits, or voluminous robes with chunky jewelry - except for that fantastic dangerous sunburst ring she wore in the restaurant that was so so 1960's cocktail party. That also looked like the same type of ring she wore in Amok Time. This is the stuff that fills me with glee.

 

[Trekker4747]

It sort of "bugs" me how big Pike's quarters are. It looks more like it should be a lounge or something. His quarters should look more like something on par with what we see in TOS.

 

[ScottJ85]

The warp effects in TMP etc were subtle and subdued and covered barely 15% of the screen at most.

This was just in your face solid big deep wide hard long strong GARISH RAINBOW colors covering nearly the whole screen!!! as a representation of LGBHTQ.

I like the episode a lot but don't want this pushing of woke agendas.

I find it offensive and preachy.

I'd like to thank the moderation team for not putting up with this shit.

 

[NCC-73515]

NBC, not CBS.
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How about "the only every seven years thing was a stupid conclusion reached by fans and has never mattered worth a spit?"

Because that works.

then logically, the medical database and what several vulcans have said is also "stupid" and "spit-worth". because that works not

From THE MAKING OF STAR TREK (p.254):
"Christine Chapel is well-educated for her task, with a doctorate of her own in Bio-Research. (sic)"

The character sketches/biographic details in TMOST were taken from the second season Writer's Guide, and thus, reflective of the thinking in the TOS production office ca. 1967. That bit of information never made it into dialogue onscreen, so technically, isn't "canon," but the concept of Chapel having a doctorate of her own - albeit not an MD, probably a PhD or DSc - wasn't pulled out of thin air.

Later, she got her MD prior to TMP.

[Edited to fix an autocorrect-induced word substitution error.]

Why would anyone get a professional degree after an academic one (assuming they still are comparable to ours today)?

You're completely wrong about that.

It's made for everyone, not just kids. Don't dismiss it right away, it does Trek good. Just check out the subforum.


The second to last episode of Season 2 is probably the best episode of the series, and season finale is probably the second best.

Agree 100%

 

[Belz...]

Yeah, Spock came off as more Vulcan than many in his own species including his own father(especially now in the light of Sarek's willingness to commit planetary genocide by going along with the plan to set off the bomb inside Qo'noS in DSC). The Vulcan who is actually half-human embodies more of Vulcan's ideal traits than most others we've encountered over the decades.

It's not unlike Worf's situation. A Klingon raised by humans who respects his species' culture more than other Klingons.

EDIT: And now I realise I was beaten to that particular punch.

 

[Chakoteya]

So, Sam Kirk is Jim's older brother? Who also served on Enterprise? Did he retire from Starfleet in disgust when his little brother became his CO?

memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/George_Samuel_Kirk

 

[Mudd]

then logically, the medical database and what several vulcans have said is also "stupid" and "spit-worth".

That's right. Where's the problem?

No good reason not to discard that nonsense. And they did.