Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[jackoverfull]

So, Sam Kirk is Jim's older brother? Who also served on Enterprise? Did he retire from Starfleet in disgust when his little brother became his CO?

Maybe he retired to raise a family. Or didn’t retire at all, was posted on deneva a d wasn’t in uniform when he died.

It sort of "bugs" me how big Pike's quarters are. It looks more like it should be a lounge or something. His quarters should look more like something on par with what we see in TOS.

Me too.

Why would anyone get a professional degree after an academic one (assuming they still are comparable to ours today)?

My mother did exactly this when the state changed the requirements for the job she held. In fact she had to graduate again alongside her own students!

Regarding t’pring, I totally buy that now she’s trying to make things work while ten years down the road she’s totally fed up with the situation and wants out.

 

[Mudd]

Regarding t’pring, I totally buy that now she’s trying to make things work while ten years down the road she’s totally fed up with the situation and wants out.

But - but - relationships don't work that way! I've seen a ton of rom-coms, and this is a canon violation!

 

[JLBTucker]

I honestly feel like SNW may be a good example of how sometimes you need to crawl before you learn how to walk.

I mean rather than starting out with a high-concept, serialized opening, Discovery should have done a more semi-episodic first season, which allowed the writers to "kick the tires" as it were, see what character dynamics worked well, who ended up writer/fan favorites, and what initial stories opened up later possibilities.

Yes i think starting out with disco as the newest trek would like trying to do DS9 instead of TNG after TOS, you cant run a full marathon with out training

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Well, there was a canyon to the left ...

I hope we see Chief Pitcairn on SNW. I can't wait to see what they'd do with him.

I see Pitcairn as the kind of guy who wouldn't be out of place as a garage mechanic. Smokes, drinks, swears a blue streak, never wears his Starfleet uniform, goes to the chapel every week, roots for his favorite teams in sports...you know, a regular guy.

He'd be way the hell out of place in, say, the ultra-evolved utopia of DSC, with all those perfect, bloodless, soulless, flawless automatons. But on SNW, he's in seventh heaven!

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The warp effects in TMP etc were subtle and subdued and covered barely 15% of the screen at most.

This was just in your face solid big deep wide hard long strong GARISH RAINBOW colors covering nearly the whole screen!!! as a representation of LGBHTQ.

I like the episode a lot but don't want this pushing of woke agendas.

I find it offensive and preachy.

Man, the TMP poster must have been like a Pride Parade for young truthchampion.

But why couldn't Kirk and Spock be together on the rainbow without Ilea coming between their glorious love with her vagenda?

 

[cooleddie74]

Rainbows are just nature's gateway drug. Once you go ROYGBIV you never go back.

 

[XCV330]

It sort of "bugs" me how big Pike's quarters are. It looks more like it should be a lounge or something. His quarters should look more like something on par with what we see in TOS.

At some point Pike's Enterprise of 203 crew had to make room for 227 extra crew members (during Kirk's command). I suspect some remodeling had to be done to make spaces.

Rainbows are just nature's gateway drug. Once you go ROYGBIV you never go back.

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[Rahul]

But why couldn't Kirk and Spock be together on the rainbow without Ilea coming between their glorious love with her vagenda?

There's a chick in the middle of this poster.
It's not gay if it's in a three-way.

 

[Belz...]

Man, the TMP poster must have been like a Pride Parade for young truthchampion.

If he thinks the TMP warp effects were subtle, when they were the most blaring special effects in the history of Trek, I don't know what he considers to be over-the-top.

 

[Rahul]

One thing of note for me personally:
This episodes "main plot" (which didn't really start until halfway into the episode) has as many logic-gaps, plotholes & inconsistencies as DIS & PIC before it. E.g.:

• Why did Una & her team completely abandon their ship to get captured?
• What use is a "warp bomb" for an internal struggle anyway?
• Spock was faster on the Enterprise from Vulcan than Pike from Earth
• Why did Pike's "bring me to your leader" work when they already have captured aliens in a prison cell?

But, in this case: I just don't care!


Because this episode has a fully, complete story. A nice, three-act plot, a good conclusion (botched first contact, contamination with advanced technology, resolution through a captain's speech) - a nice theme (the "day the earth stood still"-reversal) - and it's possible to find elaborate explanations & excuses for all these logic gaps ("headcanon"), which at the end of the day don't really influence that cute little main story.

For me, it's the episodic nature that makes it work. Same with Lower Decks. If that whole story was stretched out over 10 episodes - and I wouldn't know what the story was actually going to be about until the last episode - I would be much more annoyed by these plot holes.

As it is - with a complete, finished story - I see none of these plot holes break the main story or theme of the episode on any way, and they are just super easy to overlook while enjoying everything else about the episode.

 

[Belz...]

What use is a "warp bomb" for an internal struggle anyway?

It's just a bigger bomb to cower your opponents. The same could be said of big H bombs.

For me, it's the episodic nature that makes it work.

Yes, as I said this format just works better for Trek.

 

[GNDN18]

It sort of "bugs" me how big Pike's quarters are. It looks more like it should be a lounge or something. His quarters should look more like something on par with what we see in TOS.

Pike’s cabin in the pilot was enormous compared to the shoebox Kirk and nearly every other officer got. As others have said, 203 increased to 430 will require some reconfigurations.

 

[eschaton]

Yes i think starting out with disco as the newest trek would like trying to do DS9 instead of TNG after TOS, you cant run a full marathon with out training

Or, since Paramount seems to really want Trek to be the MCU now, you need to build out the universe with smaller-scale stories before going epic.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Pike’s cabin in the pilot was enormous compared to the shoebox Kirk and nearly every other officer got. As others have said, 203 increased to 430 will require some reconfigurations.

When they eventually Refit the SNW Connie to TOS Connie, there's going to be some significant shrinkage going on along with down-sizing of quarters.

 

[Annorax849]

Have they said it’s still 203? The crew size change could have happened between Pike’s two missions.

 

[Rahul]

It's just a bigger bomb to cower your opponents. The same could be said of big H bombs.

Indeed. But again - what use is an H- bomb against an internal enemy?

Like, you're not going to drop a nuke on protestors or terrorists hiding in a city. It should have been an external conflict (two different countries) - but then the analogy to America's culture split doesn't work (and the Ukraine war wans't obviously a thing yet when they were filming this).

But also again - it's a minor issue, and with some headcanon easily solved, and didn't distract from the larger plot or the themes of this episode.

Yes, as I said this format just works better for Trek.

100% agreed!

I think there's a perfect middle-ground - there can (and should!) be serialisation in Star Trek. But Trek definitely needs the "plot-of-the-week" structure to work - in ENT season 3 (which I absolutely love) all the Xindi-episodes had clear defined plots with beginning, middle & end.

 

[XCV330]

Have they said it’s still 203? The crew size change could have happened between Pike’s two missions.

Maybe Kirk burned through landing parties faster and needed more replacements. We'll see.

 

[Belz...]

Indeed. But again - what use is an H- bomb against an internal enemy?

Like, you're not going to drop a nuke on protestors or terrorists hiding in a city.

No but you could threaten to destroy any city that secedes. The episode seems to suggest that the government is planetary.

 

[cooleddie74]

If he thinks the TMP warp effects were subtle, when they were the most blaring special effects in the history of Trek, I don't know what he considers to be over-the-top.

That warp effect was so late '70s that cocaine actually showered on the audiences in the final moments of the film.

 

[XCV330]

In the era of steam locomotives it was not uncommon for engineers to develop their own signature whistle blasts. Early versions of railfans/trainspotters could sometimes tell who was driving the train past them by their "Tune".

I admit to having the head canon that prior to the TNG era this might have been true for some Starfleet captains and their warp-effect also. It just happens that Captain Decker's effect was REALLY disco and Kirk had not had time to change it.