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Starfleet Academy Official Trailer

People are prejudging the show but just judging the trailers. The trailer was not very good. The first one was a little better but the second trailer was just bad.
 
The YouTube comments are brutal - almost none of them positive.

5,694 likes
16,754 dislikes(75%)

This is pretty much how Section31 was panning out.
Not a good omen.
Star Trek has gone off the rails lately.

Let's hope this doesn't continue the trend.
 
I have a bad feeling they are going to write that one girl character like she is a superhero. They basically gave her a superpower. The MCU effect on Trek I suppose. I mean the character arcs pretty much write themselves.
Yeah, Like we haven’t had “superhero” characters before. Spock with his Swiss Army knife Vulcan physiology. Odo the shapeshifter. Seven of Nine the cyborg. Then you have TNG’s Fantastic Four: Troi, Data, Worf and La Forge. :lol:
 
The YouTube comments are brutal - almost none of them positive.

5,694 likes
16,754 dislikes(75%)

This is pretty much how Section31 was panning out.
Not a good omen.
Yes but those fans only want to see Picard on the Enterprise bridge and nothing, NOTHING else will do.

The point of the show is to bring in new fans, if they wanted to appease the dwindling 40+ group they'd have done Legacy.
 
I am curious if they are going to make it clear she is self aware or will she be treated like a standard hologram at first. We did see a medical hologram on "Discovery" yet I got the impression he was still seen as a piece of tech and not a real person so it seems they must still be making non-self aware holograms even this far in the future. Only now they are in world were some like The Doctor are fully accepted a real people with self awareness,

My understanding from the limited nature of the pre-show infodump is that she's not only a hologram, but from a "race" with a name (Kasquian) which seems to imply that she's from an entire group of sentient holograms, not a construct.

As an aside, I wish that Trek would stop having holograms and/or shapeshifters, because they're never willing to commit to the story implications due to the VFX costs.
  • Odo's shapeshifting looked pretty bad with mid 90s VFX, and they stopped having him shapeshift much at all after the first few seasons (even making him a solid for awhile).
  • The Doctor as a hologram could have (presumably) changed his appearance whenever he wanted, but did not, even though it would've been a big advantage once they had the mobile emitter (think of the subterfuge he could get into)!
  • Section 31 had a shapeshifter who never used their special powers once in the movie.
Because of this, my concern with SAM is they won't actually use her "powers" - her ability to look like anyone else, or just camouflage as a potted plant or something. Which is a real waste of story potential for someone who could be a fantastic character.
 
I must be in the narrow venn diagram area that wants to see both
Count me in as another person who wants both. And I'm tired of the "It's either this or that!" routine some people have been pulling on here for years now about it.

The point of the show is to bring in new fans
The point of the show is that it's something Alex Kurtzman really wanted to do. As far as it bringing in new fans, I think we both know that it's not going to. Streaming Trek isn't high profile. It's not Tulsa King or 1923, so let's not kid ourselves.

If they want a bigger audience for Star Trek, they'll have to make a new cinematic movie, or they'll have to reach out beyond Paramount+.

Otherwise, it doesn't matter if it's Legacy or Starfleet Academy or Strange New Worlds. It's still going to be the same dwindling audience, no matter what. Fortunately for me, how big the audience is doesn't factor into whether or not I watch or enjoy a show. Otherwise, I wouldn't have liked DS9, VOY, DSC or PIC.
 
Odo's shapeshifting looked pretty bad with mid 90s VFX
Hard disagree. The morphing effects for Odo mostly looked pretty great.

Section 31 had a shapeshifter who never used their special powers once in the movie.
Huh? Quasi is shown to assume other people’s appearance twice in the movie. Plus, there’s that scene where he turns himself into this tentacle being in that tunnel chase scene.

Because of this, my concern with SAM is they won't actually use her "powers"
Well, the idea could be that she doesn’t have any “powers”. Kasquian holographic lifeforms could be bound to one appearance only.
 
Count me in as another person who wants both. And I'm tired of the "It's either this or that!" routine some people have been pulling on here for years now about it.

Surely P+ can walk and chew gum at the same time.

The point of the show is that it's something Alex Kurtzman really wanted to do. As far as it bringing in new fans, I think we both know that it's not going to. Streaming Trek isn't high profile. It's not Tulsa King or 1923, so let's not kid ourselves.

If they want a bigger audience for Star Trek, they'll have to make a new cinematic movie, or they'll have to reach out beyond Paramount+.

Kirk, Spock, and Co. are a proven draw.

I don't think they're going to do Year One (Paramount Pictures is going to want the TOS lineup for themselves).
 
Yes but those fans only want to see Picard on the Enterprise bridge and nothing, NOTHING else will do.

The point of the show is to bring in new fans, if they wanted to appease the dwindling 40+ group they'd have done Legacy.
This isn't the results from a fan message board though. These are results from YouTube. For sure, some comments are from Star Trek fans, but not all.

Companies use the likes/Dislikes and number of views to gauge audience interest.

These results are showing Dislikes at 75%, which is a marginal improvement on what S31 was polling.
 
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I'll own my bias in that I have wanted an Academy for a long time, but I am completely flabbergasted at the categorical rejection of this series out of hand. It has enough meat to be enjoyable, while leaving much open. It feels organic to the world of Star Trek, with people joining from various backgrounds.

What else is needed?
It's because the show is set in Discovery's alternate future timeline.

Because of that instead of starting from a neutral point of judgement the show is starting at a negative point for a lot of people. And those negative points are being reinforced by the fact that the makeup looks plasticy, the characters look to be imported from a CW teen drama, and the story seems to be generic sci-fi instead of "star trek".


The point of the show is that it's something Alex Kurtzman really wanted to do. As far as it bringing in new fans, I think we both know that it's not going to. Streaming Trek isn't high profile. It's not Tulsa King or 1923, so let's not kid ourselves.
So many people seem to forget that Kurtzman is on the record directly stating why he pushed through Academy over anything else.
 
Because of that instead of starting from a neutral point of judgement the show is starting at a negative point for a lot of people. And those negative points are being reinforced by the fact that the makeup looks plasticy, the characters look to be imported from a CW teen drama, and the story seems to be generic sci-fi instead of "star trek".
Well, those posting about CW shows must have watched more than I.

The make up looks fine for Star Trek.

Starting from a negative place sounds like a terrible way to live.
 
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