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Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

Spock explains how a proper cloaking device thats battle ready would work. We saw it in tos. End of line.
No. He says it's theoretically possible.

That's it. The addition of qualifiers are not present in the text. This what I mean of the readiness to excuse canon breaking when it suits personal preferences.

I'm not giving ENTERPRISE a pass. It's flat wrong from a TOS perspective.

Now we have klingons with regular teeth.
We had that before.
Betazoids with human eyes and seemingly with powers strikingly different than what Luwana or Deanna Trio had. In the
We had that too.


So, these "issues" are ones that have come before. We're just looking to be offended now.
 
Definitely feels like veiled reasoning for not liking something. Not that I expect any differently but one could choose to, um <checks notes>, just not watch something they don’t enjoy.
But then how are they supposed to get the attention they so badly crave? Won't somebody think of the poor anti-Kurtzmanites???

No its not veiled or attention gaining. Not everyone is going to like what you like. Most of us learned that as children. Its just the way the world is. Sorry fellas.
 
Right wingers are fine with diversity as long as the show has at least one strong white male character and it's politics are middle of the road. Or done in a subtle way. As long as they feel the show doesn't hate them in essence. Also if it's good. A show being good or bad still carries weight beyond all the outside politics engaged over said show or movie.

I strongly disagree with this statement. Mostly because I don't believe the Right Winger space exists to actually engage with the material but to manufacture outrage.
 
I strongly disagree with this statement. Mostly because I don't believe the Right Winger space exists to actually engage with the material but to manufacture outrage.

That is because your focusing to much on the content creators and less over the rank and file people who gravitate to the content. You can actually find lots of truth in scams/grifting/capitalism or whatever words we want to use because it is mostly content responding to a demand that is not being fulfilled. It doesn't create the demand. People get angry or upset because Hollywood or politicians or whoever is not giving them what they want so people will come in and cater to those feelings and people love it because someone is "finally speaking the truth" or some such idea.

Also you can learn a lot about people from what they enjoy and why they enjoy them even more than the things they hate. Republicans and I would also say many if not most working class people as well are actually pretty easy to figure out when it comes to entertainment because they seem to lack variety in the things they enjoy.

For example I like Die Hard. I know they like Die Hard. My guess is unlike me though they probably don't also like Evita. In fact many Republicans have some fascinating but crazy ideas when trying to explain what they think is the meaning behind some movies and tv shows. They seem to be big believers in the idea that lots of movies and tv shows have unintentional right wing messages. That is in the end how you get things like Right Wing Star Trek fans. Not that liberals don't have their own predictable traits as well but they are just slightly different than those on the right.
 
The issue is perhaps that people who are invested in "culture war" stuff are incredibly hypersensitive to literally everything nowadays in a way they might not have been in, say, 1990. That's not to understate the level of bullshit that was around back then, but the situation now is so extreme that they'll be sent into a rage by the most minor inconsequential shit, and if they can't find anything, they'll construct something out of thin air.

I don't generally follow the outrage but from what I've seen, they almost always use close-ups of Kerrice Brooks in their thumbnails is revolting; even in this week's episode which I didn't enjoy, her performance carried a lot of it. She's giving by far the most Trek-like performance in the entire show thus far, she'd have fit perfectly into a show like Voyager, and yet she's the prime target for hate because... well, we know why.

That's not to tar all criticism with the same brush because I'm sure there's a lot of commentators who strongly dislike the show on entirely fair artistic grounds, and I myself think a lot of the Kurtzman era has been dire, but there definitely is a substantial number of right-wingers who don't give a shit about the show itself and are purely interested in Star Trek, and all other media, as nothing more than an aid to their increasingly-deranged, incredibly muddled sociopolitical views. TNG could come out today with zero changes and they'd set upon it in an instant.

My main hobby is videogames and it's happened in that scene too to a truly extraordinary degree; a great number of "gamers" don't even play games anymore, they just watch trailers looking for female or non-white characters and then the meltdowns commence.
 
One of the things I learned as a Fallout fan is that the first casualty of the outrage machine is actual complaining.

The reviews from the content creators are so, "Star Trek: Starfleet Academy is the worst thing ever and it ate my targ" is that because everything is dialed up to the 11, it's impossible to critique episodes fairly. Everything is terrible so saying what you don't like versus did has no contrast.
 
If I'm watching a show and I'm thinking about other shows then the show has failed at being entertaining.

The goal is not for me to take another show and magnify my enjoyment of past produced shows
THIS.If you don't engross me, I'm gonna find something that will. Remember berries will only get you so far.
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Love this movie.

Republicans understand satire. They know when they are being called out. They just dismiss the message being sent and will often subvert the message by finding something that speaks truth to them. Chances are Republicans back then would find comfort in the "both sides are equally bad" when it comes to racism in that episode.
More THIS is being muttered.

Because he was familiar with the theory, hence "theoretical". But keep stretching. Reed Richards has nothing on you.
"It's Trekking Time"
If the NuCanon makes sense or dovetails well with 'Stuff Already Known', it helps. But things that make me go "Wait?"...not so much.
 
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