Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[Detached Nacelle]

Kind of weird to say this on an online message board, isn’t it? The entire idea of this place is to learn what complete strangers think about Star Trek.

But there's no agenda behind it or if there is it is very well hidden.

A discussion is different to a review, a review is trying to push an opinion and persuade.

 

[eschaton]

If Jessie Gender is singing its praises then I suspect it will probably be to my liking. She and I don't always agree on everything, but our tastes for Star Trek do lay in similar directions. We got that positive review of the pilot in the Trek Movie article comments, and Jessie says that that's actually the weakest of the episodes that she's seen. I'm glad that Paramount still saw fit to give her early access, despite her very negative reviews of Strange New Worlds season 3.

Jessie panned the hell out of Section 31 as well, so she hasn't liked much of what Trek has put out lately (though she loves Lower Decks and loved Prodigy's second season).

I will also be interested in hearing Steve Shives review, although I admit I prefer his "Trek Actually" video essays to his reviews.

Steve typically doesn't do episode-by-episode reviews of new Trek. He was doing those for Picard Season 3, but only because he could do them with that friend of his from the podcast.

I expect he'll do a season retrospective by the end. Don't think he's ever been given an advance copy of anything by Paramount.

 

[Michael]

But there's no agenda behind it or if there is it is very well hidden.

A discussion is different to a review, a review is trying to push an opinion and persuade.

Nah, a review is just someone giving you their opinion. You can’t deduce motivation just from the mere fact that something is a published review.

 

[fireproof78]

give all live star trek tv series a chance. I have no idea if ill hate it or not.

And I maintain my stance that it is a ridiculous waste of time.

Mr plinkett is not meant to be taken seriously, its comedy.

Data: perhaps the joke isn't funny.

I dont care for reviews myself, I have zero use for anyone else's opinions but unfortunately targeted campaigns before a product is release can work. People see a huge wave of negative responses and automatically decide not to bother with a thing.

It's a bit of a weird thing to advocate but people should stop giving a shit about what complete strangers think.

Only insofar as making value judgements.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Right? Sure. But it sure is disingenuous to even review something you know you’re going to hate. It’s not giving something a fair shake.

I’m already fully expecting people to review bomb Rotten Tomatoes for the show’s “wokeness.”

Maybe there are. But its just the way things are online. Its the price we pay for having online media.

And I maintain my stance that it is a ridiculous waste of time.

Maybe but its thier time to waste.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe but its thier time to waste.

It's very dissonant in the face of complaining about Kurtzman then lending support through views.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's very dissonant in the face of complaining about Kurtzman then lending support through views.

It's their way...

 

[fireproof78]

It's their way...

To not live consistently?

 

[Turtletrekker]

At least they're consistent about being inconsistent.

 

[I am not Spock]

the usual suspects, as in the Youtube clickbaiters, have already decided they hate it before seeing a single episode.

More for me to enjoy. I give every Trek show a fair go, and genuinely enjoy all of Trek. Some more than others, but i like it all

 

[Tuskin38]

If Jesse likes it, then there’s a 80% chance I will too.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I dont think someone has to be exclusively into their own race to qualify as heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual I'm pretty sure genetalia is enough for the categorisation.

Wouldn't xenosexual be for someone exclusively into alien races and not fellow members of their own race?

Kirk kicked a dude in the knee cap once, you know exactly when and where I am talking about, and it wound up being the fruitful home of the chaps love spuds, or trouser snake or baby popper... We had a trans kid in love with a ghost 2 years ago, so love is not always about rubbing interlocking pieces of meat together... THE Drazi screw into each others armpits, and if I want to be completely serious about this, I think it's only the lads who do that to each other.

I got my fill of gay Klingons in "Hidden Frontier" 20 years ago, a very lgbt friendly fanfilm series, and I swear to god that this is a line from an episode by the Bajoran lead about his new Klingon boyfriend "He's like ridged everywhere you know, like everywhere!"

 

[ToddCam]

I actually find it very believable that there would be older ensigns. Or more to the point, older cadets.

Even now, you find people in their 30s or 40s attending college. Is it that unrealistic to think there are people out there in the Federation who didn't decide to join Starfleet until they were older? Or even simply didn't have the skills or knowledge to pass the entrance exams until later in life?

Frankly, there SHOULD be some older cadets in ACADEMY, particularly since it's opening up for the first time in over a century.

(That was something that always bugged me, though. Where did all the Starfleet officers train if the Academy was not open for over 100 years? Where did Vance or Rayner train to become Starfleet officers if not the Academy?)

Indeed, I am in my last semester of my undergraduate career starting Monday, and I will be 48 at commencement in May! It's been a long road...

 

[TRON JA307020]

Indeed, I am in my last semester of my undergraduate career starting Monday, and I will be 48 at commencement in May! It's been a long road...

Congratulations on your achievement!

 

[fireproof78]

At least they're consistent about being inconsistent.

Illogical. Flawlessly illogical.

 

[ToddCam]

Kirk kicked a dude in the knee cap once, you know exactly when and where I am talking about, and it wound up being the fruitful home of the chaps love spuds, or trouser snake or baby popper... We had a trans kid in love with a ghost 2 years ago, so love is not always about rubbing interlocking pieces of meat together... THE Drazi screw into each others armpits, and if I want to be completely serious about this, I think it's only the lads who do that to each other.

I got my fill of gay Klingons in "Hidden Frontier" 20 years ago, a very lgbt friendly fanfilm series, and I swear to god that this is a line from an episode by the Bajoran lead about his new Klingon boyfriend "He's like ridged everywhere you know, like everywhere!"

Oddly enough, while I don't think I've ever thought at all about Klingon phalluses, I have thought about Bajoran ones, and them having the smaller Bajoran-style ridges on their penises. Lightly ridged for her (or his, I suppose) pleasure. Maybe it was implied in a novel or something.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oddly enough, while I don't think I've ever thought at all about Klingon phalluses, I have thought about Bajoran ones, and them having the smaller Bajoran-style ridges on their penises. Lightly ridged for her (or his, I suppose) pleasure. Maybe it was implied in a novel or something.

I assume a Bajoran male member is quite small since their counterparts uterus must be super close to the front door, if all their babies fall out after a good sneeze, three months in.

 

[Farscape One]

Indeed, I am in my last semester of my undergraduate career starting Monday, and I will be 48 at commencement in May! It's been a long road...

Congratulations! Doesn't matter how long the road is... you'll get to your destination. Feel pride in achieving that!

 

[Lord Garth]

I dont care for reviews myself, I have zero use for anyone else's opinions but unfortunately targeted campaigns before a product is release can work. People see a huge wave of negative responses and automatically decide not to bother with a thing.

It's a bit of a weird thing to advocate but people should stop giving a shit about what complete strangers think.

Someone who automatically likes anything called Star Trek, their reviews are worthless. Someone who automatically doesn't like any Star Trek made after 2005, their reviews are equally worthless.

But when it comes to someone whose reviews aren't always one way or another, those are useful. At least to me. If someone I typically agree with likes something, I'll probably like it. If someone I typically disagree with doesn't like it, I'll probably like it.

I'll make up my own mind and decide for myself. But reviews can help to give me a sense of what I might be in for. I treat it like a head's up from a friend. Or an enemy. Either way.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Pretty sure though that Mike has checked out of Trek after Discovery and Picard and hasn’t even given Strange New Worlds a fair shake. That is of course his right and completely fine. I actually think it’s the mature thing to just recognize that a show might not be for you and then not watch it, as opposed to the many YouTube personalities who earn their money by hate-watching Trek to post scathing reviews afterwards. It’s a shame though that he apparently didn’t at least sample Strange New Worlds, since I reckon it should be more along the lines of the kind of Trek he enjoys. But it is what it is.

Mike said that he actually watched and enjoyed LOWER DECKS. I had hoped he would at least do a video talking about that, but instead he opted to gripe about SECTION 31.