Pepperidge Farms remembers. In fact, there were factions of the fandom, I admit to being one of them at times, that would have been as happy to have seen the "Killers B's" replaced as certain factions would be today to see Kurtzman replaced.
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Thankfully, Seth MacFarlane seems to be focusing on the one show of his that truly matters. A show that made the world a better place. A show that brought joy to the masses…
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The fourth season was rumored to go into production at the beginning of 2025. Then it wasn’t. There is a lot of hope from fans and those who are in charge that a fourth season will happen, but it is still rumored. I’m not putting down The Orville, but I am not holding my breath it will come back anytime soon. I don’t dislike The Orville, but I don’t think it’s as amazeballs as you do. I’m just trying to be realistic.
The Orville will return. Nothing ever goes away. Granted it could be so long that it might end up playing like a legacy sequel when it does.
Yes, I can.
The writing of the Berman era was inconsistent at best. It forgot details in next episodes sometimes. Even vaunted series like TNG are considered mix between seasons 2 and 2 and 6 and 7. Ratings wide, the era saw decreasing viewership.
It's mixed at best.
TNG was popular enough to get its own series of big budget motion pictures. So Berman made it. The best kurtzman has gotten was a crappy section 31 made for streaming movie. That one stunk up the place worse than any trek movie in the history of trek movies. Im counting TFF as well. Section 31 made TFF look good. Yeah theyll never give kurtzmans trek a big budget movie. Never.
So?
We got Nemesis to round out the era, a film that screwed over so many characters. And if that's a metric then the Orville failed too.
Regardless, the Orville would be completely panned if it was Star Trek. The drug use alone would be declared to be involved or foreign to them because Wesley didn't understand drug use.
None of this inspires my confidence.
The TNG movies weren't that big budget, even for the time. Indeed, when Braga learned the budget the Abrams films had, he said even when adjusted for inflation, the TNG movies (or at least the two he worked on) were done on a mere fraction of that.
I don't think Kurtzman was ever trying for a big budget or even theatrical Trek film. You'll note, he had no involvement at all in any of the proposed fourth Kelvin movies over the years.
Which is fine by me. Kurtzman understands Trek’s main draw is on television anyway.
“He didn’t get to make a theatrical movie hurr-durr” ain’t the own that some folks think it is. It’s a smart and savvy business move.
And I love how people bring up Section 31 as if that is somehow an indictment on the entirety of Kurtzman's tenure. Sure, it was a swing and a miss, but so what? I credit the success of Deep Space Nine to Ira Steven Behr, and there are some real bangers in his name. At the same time, some of the worst episodes of the series, indeed the entire franchise, bear his writing credit. Swing and a miss. So what?
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I do believe that Nemesis is an indictment of all of Berman. Just like Final Frontier completely ruined Shatner's career.
That's how this works, right?
The TNG films are nothing to be proud of. Of the four, First Contact was the only critical success. The other three got poor to mixed reception not just from critics, but the fan base. Star Trek Nemesis was a box office bomb and effectively put the nail in the coffin of the Berman Era.
Not really, those things happened more because Paramount+ needed original content to establish itself and Star Trek is pretty much it's biggest show based IP.
If the show wasn't making money for Paramount it wouldn't have lasted five seasons. If the Orville was making money for anybody whatsoever, it would have lasted more than three.
And it's abundantly obvious that you will grasp at any straw available to you to trash Discovery.
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Actually Orville's cancellation traces back to Disney acquiring Fox.
At the time Disney didn't want additional sci-fi shows outside of Star Wars because that's when their big "Mandoverse" push was going on. They wouldn't have even gone through with the third season except contracts were already in place and tax credits had already been paid out.
I hope that also returns someday. That today is still the third best Terminator story behind the first two movies of course.
Tell me you don't understand how television production works without telling me you don't understand how television production works.
Okay... Let me spell it out for you then...
Paramount took a loss producing Star Trek Discovery and it's spinoff's so they could attract people to their streaming service.
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