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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 4x01 - "Valles Marineris"

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Antimatter has always been able to blow up planets. Kirk and Ensign Garrovick set off a jerry-rigged antimatter bomb that rips away the entire atmosphere of Tycho IV and leaves a giant crater on the surface.

How is any of this new? Trek's been playing this card since the late 1960s.
I mean, that is significantly big difference.
 
Wow, I guess the fandom has changed since previous seasons when it was fashionable to make fun of her lack of character development. Put me in a nursing home I guess... I'm old and out of touch. I still refuse the tapioca pudding, though.
Its just in ultra defense territory, especially around here.
 
Now that right there would have made it a 10/10 right there. Letting the crew deal with the weight on what they have just done. Thats one thing I thought the episode was missing, a couple of sit downs with the senior staff to go over the situation.

The show doesn’t take itself too seriously anymore or at least for much of the season. Muppets coming right up. Lol
 
The show doesn’t take itself too seriously anymore or at least for much of the season. Muppets coming right up. Lol
I think Pike is going to win the "most wet blanket captain" title for star trek. One of the negative parts of this episode was Pike feeling like he has no authority in here. I saw moments where he should of showed his leadership and nothing. Honestly Jameway would grind this guy into coffee.
 
I think Pike is going to win the "most wet blanket captain" title for star trek. One of the negative parts of this episode was Pike feeling like he has no authority in here. I saw moments where he should of showed his leadership and nothing. Honestly Jameway would grind this guy into coffee.

Pikr hardly has any authority or leadership at all. The pike character is not even the star of the show anymore. Shatners Kirk was definitely the star of Star Trek. Showed authority clearly. I miss those kind of captains.
 
Janeway after almost every episode.
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Finally getting to this season's episodes. So I thoroughly enjoyed this one. LOVED seeing Saffron Burrows, who remains stunning.

So, the uhhhhh, obviously there's not a scientist with any valid credentials who would sign off on the existence of a fifth rocky planet, at that period of the solar system, nor the possibility of an extinct humanoid Martian species. Should that matter? Well, good question. There were plenty of TOS stories that featured the same kind of fairy tales as this one. Even by TNG era they were still doing things that were not possible. So I guess I kind of don't mind the whole thing. Even though it defies a wealth of astronomical study, albeit incomplete, on the origins of the Chicxulub asteroid.
 
Finally getting to this season's episodes. So I thoroughly enjoyed this one. LOVED seeing Saffron Burrows, who remains stunning.

So, the uhhhhh, obviously there's not a scientist with any valid credentials who would sign off on the existence of a fifth rocky planet, at that period of the solar system, nor the possibility of an extinct humanoid Martian species. Should that matter? Well, good question. There were plenty of TOS stories that featured the same kind of fairy tales as this one. Even by TNG era they were still doing things that were not possible. So I guess I kind of don't mind the whole thing. Even though it defies a wealth of astronomical study, albeit incomplete, on the origins of the Chicxulub asteroid.

I sure hope no one is dumb enough to accept scientific evidence from Star Trek.
 
You can't pay attention to the science in science fiction, be it Star Trek or not. It's correctly labeled as fiction and it doesn't interfere with the story telling unless you let it. Which, if you enjoy science fiction (of any flavor), you should already know it doesn't matter.
 
You can't pay attention to the science in science fiction, be it Star Trek or not. It's correctly labeled as fiction and it doesn't interfere with the story telling unless you let it. Which, if you enjoy science fiction (of any flavor), you should already know it doesn't matter.
It's always seemed to me, that Star Trek science is basically what we know in the present day + some bonus space science on top of that. I don't know how warp drives and telepathy work, but the characters deliver their technobabble with such conviction that I can buy it's something I just don't get. Like Lagrange points and quantum entanglement.

The problems come when what they're saying and what's happening is easily disproved by our current understanding of science. Episodes like Threshold and Demon were criticised at the time for their bad science, they didn't get a pass because "It's just a TV show, you should really just relax". Just like an episode would be criticised for bad acting, bad effects, and anything else bad that breaks immersion.

I've seen people getting taken out of Star Wars: The Last Jedi because 'people can't survive in space', and that's a story about space wizards, so the show about scientists learning about the universe has to try even harder. And I'm sure everyone has a point where a story will lose them, even people who reckon they've moved beyond childish things like caring about believability in their made-up TV show, so writers shouldn't be testing how far they can lower the bar.
 
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