He's complicit in the murder of millions of children.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 4x01 - "Valles Marineris"
He's complicit in the murder of millions of children.
and he would be preventing the existence of trillions of children if he did stop the bomb.
As I said last page, it was a no-win scenario.
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Pike: "Admiral...I have this great new idea for a whole new 'No-Win' scenario simulation. I know what we went through 65 million years ago is Top Secret but hey, no one would believe it and it would really mess with a Cadet's preconceptions of the new Prime Direc..."
April (Quickly interrupting): "Oh Shut up Chris!..."
aaaand we have a good season premiere! The best one since season 1! I gave it a 9 for adventure, fun and a moral quandary that, while we knew Pike would have to do it, is still a huge canon event to saddle a major character with.
My qualms involve some lack of attention to detail, which I think members have already mentioned I'm sure, but nothing really detracts from the story. These include some scientific hand waving which I'll let slide due to some massive time scales involved.
There is a good guest turn by Saffron Burrows, who I am delighted to see in the franchise. I felt like there was a lot of weight to her actions and I had genuine sadness for her death.
As usual the episode looks sumptuous and we know they spent a mint because the plot of episode 2 all takes place in a confined space on the Enterprise sets.
My qualms involve some lack of attention to detail, which I think members have already mentioned I'm sure, but nothing really detracts from the story. These include some scientific hand waving which I'll let slide due to some massive time scales involved.
There is a good guest turn by Saffron Burrows, who I am delighted to see in the franchise. I felt like there was a lot of weight to her actions and I had genuine sadness for her death.
As usual the episode looks sumptuous and we know they spent a mint because the plot of episode 2 all takes place in a confined space on the Enterprise sets.
Preventing someone's future existence seems pretty different from passively standing by while millions who are already alive get annihilated. Plus, Pike's not really preventing anyone's existence - presumably he would simply be creating a new timeline. The old timeline where humanity develops wouldn't go anywhere. The only downside is that iteration of the Enterprise crew would be stuck in the "no humans" timeline -- a small price to pay for saving that entire civilization, isn't it?
That's why I didn't like April's reference to putting things back to how they "should" be. There's no "should" when there are infinite realities.
But Star Trek does both, otherwise the City on the Edge of Forever would not work.
That is a ridiculous hypothetical based on a lot of assumptions.
And offering it as if it were some sort of certainty instead of a fictional/theoretical notion* negates the moral significance of anything people do or choose not to do, ever.
Based on everything we see in this story, Pike's choice made the human race possible.
*AKA bullshit.
Depends on the method of time travel, so far the only one that we know spawns new timelines is temporal wormholes with everything else re-writing history.
Just realized something. Doesn't this episode, which now establishes that humanoid life existed 75 million years ago, make the huge discovery in TNG' "The Chase" -that humanoid life originated from the ancient Progenitors - much less significant? Or am I off on the chronology? When did the Progenitors actually exist again?
Ok fair enough.
And Disco established there were other progenitors which pre-dated the Progenitors.
Earth just became largely inhospitable and is filled with giant, vicious, animals.
Bro, do you even Star Trek?
The pseudoscience in this episode was better than the pseudoscience in "Spock's Brain." So, what's your beef?
We don't know if it would.
Star Trek time travel isn't consistent. Sometimes it creates a separate timeline (Star Trek 09), sometimes it overwrites the old (Yesterday's Enterprise, City on the Edge of Forever, Children of Time)
In fact I think there's more Trek episodes where the timeline gets overwritten than where it doesn't.
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Antimatter has always been able to blow up planets. Kirk and Ensign Garrovick set off a jerry-rigged antimatter bomb that rips away the entire atmosphere of Tycho IV and leaves a giant crater on the surface.
How is any of this new? Trek's been playing this card since the late 1960s.
How is any of this new? Trek's been playing this card since the late 1960s.
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